Earlier quoted context omitted.
Usually when you offer services in other countries, you have to obey their laws as well.
I don't see Facebook receiving the same treatment.
Facebook complies with most foreign government law enforcement requests.
Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
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Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
That argument is not honest. There already are laws against doxing and threats. We don't need to censor a whole platform because of that. Especially if it's done just so we can conveniently muzzle groups that just want to protest against masks, vaccines, or lockdowns.
Okay you have clearly no clue what you are talking about. Its not about "querdenker" putting there bullshit on and promoting there products. It's about the far right and people are getting more aggressive every day and writing death threats and leaking addresses and a lot of nasty shit. It's not about selling your homeopathic sugar pills. It's not about stupid people spreading fake news. It's about people calling oth…
And you know that because? Have you seen those things yourself?
Will they also shut down email, I'm sure a lot of death threats are sent via that?
Even if a few crazy people are into such things, it doesn't mean they have a huge impact. You can use Telegram just fine without ever seeing anything of it.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see Facebook receiving the same treatment.
Facebook complies with most foreign government law enforcement requests.
It probably do that and also pay its fines exemplary but at the end of the day it is a monopolistic network, a privacy abuser, a compulsive liar, a opinion manipulator and a big threat to democracy and society.
To the government exerting control over it's citizens is far more important than protecting it's citizens rights and well-being. Facebook knows that and just play the game and at the end of the day Zuckerberg can do whatever he want if he saves politicians faces.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
The notion of a government watching over group conversations is scary .
We seem pretty used to the idea that the NSA basically watches everything, which we've known since Snowden
I'm still not used to it. I bet it's not just me too, it's just hard to change for us.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
The notion of a government watching over group conversations is scary .
Is it a group or a public forum? With the t.me links, isn't it more like a public forum?
When have you seen a police officer at public forums? I never saw one, and I don't want to see them online.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#186Not just Germany, a lot of very respectable publications are worried about Telegram: > White supremacists openly organize racist violence on Telegram, report finds https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/26/tech/white-supremacists-t... > Are Private Messaging Apps the Next Misinformation Hot Spot? Telegram and Signal, the encrypted services that keep conversations confidential, are increasingly popular. Our tech columnists d…
>a lot of very respectable publications
>links CNN, Guardian and Vox
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
So its okay for people to leak addresses of politicians and call on other to kill them? They match your interests and they can organize. Oh wait I know you yourself know nothing about this situation. Oh wait you yourself never got death threats to your personal mail and home? Oh wait its not like the article is saying that closing it would be the last resort...
> So its okay for people to leak addresses of politicians and call on other to kill them? To leak their addresses? Yes. To call on killing them? No. Knowing where your elected (and/or unelected) officials live is very useful for civic purposes. It helps to identify various forms of corruption. Case in point: when I lived in Finland, our local municipality had 6 snowploughs. Only five of them were ever really in used…
> To leak their addresses? Yes.
Privacy is a human right, leaking someone address is not ok, and doing so is illegal in Germany because of privacy rights.
Ironically, this is also why it would be illegal in Germany for the government to "close" Telegram.
However, there are many other laws that must be obeyed, and Telegram doesn't obey most of them in Germany, so it can be closed due to those issues.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly, cutting out Germany means that you'd eventually have to cut out the entire EU. If you just block Germany they're going to push on the EU to take up this fight for them. It'll all be in the name of "stopping online abuse" or something like that. Germany, in general, seems to be a very poor country to do digital business compared to most other places. This is the same country that required (requires?) streamers…
[...] to stream to more than 500 people. More than 20,000 simultaneous viewers on averaged over a six months period and if the content is considered relevant for public opinion formation.
It used to be 500 viewers. This change happened because streamers lobbied the government to enact change. Now it's just a higher number. The point of this example is to show what kind of a country it is and what the population of the country seems to think is okay. Digital business is something they seem to want to hinder.
Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So its okay for people to leak addresses of politicians and call on other to kill them? To leak their addresses? Yes. To call on killing them? No. Knowing where your elected (and/or unelected) officials live is very useful for civic purposes. It helps to identify various forms of corruption. Case in point: when I lived in Finland, our local municipality had 6 snowploughs. Only five of them were ever really in used…
> To leak their addresses? Yes. Privacy is a human right, leaking someone address is not ok, and doing so is illegal in Germany because of privacy rights. Ironically, this is also why it would be illegal in Germany for the government to "close" Telegram. However, there are many other laws that must be obeyed, and Telegram doesn't obey most of them in Germany, so it can be closed due to those issues.
While I agree that privacy is a human right, I only grant that right to individuals. The moment you enter politics, you SHOULD lose your privacy.
When you enter politics, you are either doing that to defraud people, or planning to do so at the first opportunity.