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Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by bmitc »

adrianN wrote: post #160
bmitc wrote: post #68

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Art isn't about statical copying or drawing well. It's about human expression.

It doesn't seem far fetched that in the near future an "artist" doesn't need to be able to draw at all. If GANs or the like become sufficiently tunable, I can express myself by telling the GAN what I would like to have drawn.

That's certainly a possibility, but is that intelligent or are paintbrushes already intelligent? :) In other words, in that case, it would simply be a tool directed by an intelligent being. We have that in many senses with generative and other computer-based art.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by Ygg2 »

nautilius wrote: post #176
Ygg2 wrote: post #172

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Painting with a brush stroke set to galaxy levels. I'm not saying there isn't creepy anime, or even creepy motifs in excellent anime. But that stuff sells over there.

I'm not assessing whether it is creepy or not, but how can 'it sells' have any place in that argument?

Because if you are a mangaka/anime artist, you'll be pressured to add otaku stuff to boost sales.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by SavantIdiot »

jakey_bakey wrote: post #114

I wish I had the stones to call my company Waifu Labs

I didn't know what you meant so I googled it. The technology is cool, but the content is ... problematic.

From urban dictionary:

   "Waifu" is used to refer to a fictional girl or woman (usually in Anime, Manga, or video-games) that you have sexual attraction to, and you would even marry.
Huh.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by nautilius »

Ygg2 wrote: post #182
nautilius wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not assessing whether it is creepy or not, but how can 'it sells' have any place in that argument?

Because if you are a mangaka/anime artist, you'll be pressured to add otaku stuff to boost sales.

And then -- pedophile content is ok for you? Wow.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by pfisherman »

Simon321 wrote: post #113
pfisherman wrote: post #49

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I can’t understand why the GP comment is flagged. If you can look past all the “culture war” stuff, this is pointing out some of the limits of algorithmic creativity. It does not do well generating instances with features that are not well represented in the training dataset. Compare this to human creativity. I suspect that fulfilling GPs request would be almost trivial for a human professional artist. To be clear th…

That's because humans have also seen a lot of human beings with diverse skin tones. If we had only seen anime our whole life it would be much more difficult for us to conceive of also. With more compute, we will eventually be able to make bigger models with more knowledge of the world that will also be able to overcome this.

I think that is correct, but also a much much easier said than done when it comes to the implementation.

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Post by nonbirithm »

Gigachad wrote: post #72
Bombthecat wrote: post #65

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The more interesting question: What about the sources for the AI to train? How are those artists paid? Do we need to pay them? Or if it used by an AI as train data, we just say: Its like a human learning?

There is nothing that suggests it should be any different than human learning legally. As long as the output is significantly unique, it shouldn’t have any copyright issues.

Does it matter if the artist themselves rejects the idea though?

People were discussing having a "no machine learning clause" back when Copilot was being heavily scrutinized. I wouldn't be surprised if some artists allow republishing but not machine learning use. Plenty of artists already have a clause that prohibits any kind of republishing, and Danbooru is known to rehost some of those artists' content anyway until the artist notices and requests that it be taken down, if ever (for a time, they even allowed paid rewards from Patreon and other subscription services to be republished).

The original dataset from Danbooru probably contained some percentage of content that would not have been there if the original artist had noticed in time.

Re: Welcome to Waifu Labs v2: How Do AIs Create?

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Post by kadokaelan »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #183
jakey_bakey wrote: post #114

I wish I had the stones to call my company Waifu Labs

I didn't know what you meant so I googled it. The technology is cool, but the content is ... problematic. From urban dictionary: "Waifu" is used to refer to a fictional girl or woman (usually in Anime, Manga, or video-games) that you have sexual attraction to, and you would even marry. Huh.

youd be surprised at the waifu market size
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