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Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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I wonder how many accounts the chinese state maintains on hackernews to upvote/downvote post and comments. It's an easy way to influence the public opinion and hard to expose.

I am not pro-Chinese, I am French with no ties to China. But I have downvoted/flagged anti-China posts and comments a few times. There is an anti-China sentiment in the US that just feels wrong, and it shows on HN. Every time something good is said about the Chinese state, or even if it is "not that bad", it is Chinese propaganda. Every time someone says that China is evil, it is the truth, as if US propaganda couldn…

I don't think it's one-sided at all. If you look at the 30 most popular stories in the past year then 5 of them paints China in a positive light (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...):

- China lands rover on Mars (581 points, 314 comments)

- China to supercharge uranium race with 150 new nuclear reactors (261 points, 354 comments)

- China on Mars: Zhurong rover returns first pictures (243 points, 66 comments)

- China releases videos of its Zhurong Mars rover (236 points, 167 comments)

- China unveils 600 kph maglev train (229 points, 433 comments)

You could even argue that whenever China does something positive that's note-worthy then it has a much higher chance to be promoted multiple times (e.g. 3/5 are about the Mars rover, all within a month) and less chance that it will be flagged (or at least remain flagged).

I think it's safe to assume the majority of HN support democracy, privacy, freedom of speech & press, and similar civil liberties that China have cracked heavily down upon and not just within their own borders. When you look at what they have done in the past few years with Xinjiang, Hong Kong, SARS2, Taiwan, etc. then it's only natural that there will be a lot of negative coverage, and this negative coverage is understandably and deservedly greater than the positive coverage. If USA or any other country banned under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week then it would receive the same amount of coverage. Same thing goes for for Swiss Ph.D student’s dismissal, Steam being banned, cryptocurrency deals becoming illegal, blocking Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization and every other story you might consider "anti-China". My submission doesn't even mention China so people are not blindly upvoting it because it's "anti-China", but more likely because it's interesting to see proof that one of the largest Asian YouTube channels (which cover a lot more than just China) is planting interviewees to push a certain agenda (keep in mind the channel put a lot of emphasis towards presenting themselves as being 'authentic' and sharing views of random and regular people they meet on the streets).

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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I think that's the Scooby Doo live action sequel.

"I think Coolsville sucks!": https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-think-coolsville-sucks

Haha, that's it. Thanks! Funny that it even has its own knowyourmeme page.

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Besides some outlier ultra nationalists, most regular citizens of the mainland are also not huge fans of the CCP either and would happily get along with Taiwanese. And I have met some Taiwanese who even ironically have an overly romanticized view of the mainland --- seeing it as having made huge strides economically compared to the somewhat stagnant local economy. At the end of the day, Taiwan culturally has more in…

I always found it (vaguely) interesting that people from both Taiwan and Hong Kong refer to PRC China as ‘mainlander’. But I see how it makes sense. > At the end of the day, Taiwan culturally has more in common with the mainland than, say, Hong Kong does As a western for some reason I thought this would be the opposite.

> Taiwan and Hong Kong refer to PRC China as ‘mainlander’

It's a general thing in the broad Sinosphere. Even the Japanese refer to (PRC) Chinese as "mainlanders" (大陸人/だいりくじん †) despite, you know, it being a completely different country for much of history!

†: You'll notice this sometimes in Anime. For example, in Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei's first episode the students respond to the teacher's unusual name with "must be from the mainland (=China)".

In modern usage, the "mainland" modifier is often used to get around the sensitive Taiwan issue. Different people may disagree on who is included in "China", but "mainland China" unambiguously excludes Taiwan even in the PRC.

Another fun fact is that English is woefully inexpressive when it comes to the cultural complexities of the broader Chinese cultural sphere. For example, a Taiwanese (or immigrant Chinese) person might identify as "culturally" Chinese (华人) but not "nationally" Chinese (中国人). A lot of this stuff gets lost in translation and ends up offending people inadvertently, because there aren't different English words!

> As a western for some reason I thought this would be the opposite.

Hong Kong split from the mainland in the 1840s and has been largely culturally (not necessarily politically) independent since. Modern Taiwan is the result of the KMT retreat during the civil war a _century_ later, in the 1940s.

A mainlander visiting Hong Kong will feel like an American going to, say, the UK -- it will feel familiar but distinctly foreign. A mainlander visiting Taiwan will feel like an American going to, say, Canada --- it will feel quirky but kind of like home. The mainlander might struggle to chat with a Hong Kong local as many won't speak Mandarin, whereas in Taiwan, they will have no trouble engaging in a conversation, with maybe only occasionally realizing that the other person refers to what they would call a "microwave" as an "electronic range" (this is not a real example. A real example would be something like a mainlander referring to "topping up (a transit card)" as "recharging" the card while a Taiwanese might call it "adding value" to the card).

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I'm far more sympathetic to the greens... but my personal views don't matter much.

I don't mind the first part of the sentence; that's just editorial. The second part is weak-sauce backpedalling.

The repetitive moral outrage made this piece five times longer than it needed to be.

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I know this blog post is niche but title could be edited to simplify what "deep blue YouTuber" means here. For HN readers I mean.

"...planted pro-China advocate for 'man on the street' opinions on Taiwan"

> For those who don't know, "deep blue" means very pro-KMT, generally favoring Chinese identity, closer ties with China and eventual unification with China.

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Germans were starving in the 20s too due to the outcome of WWI. The Nazi 'fixed' that. And since we're talking about people starving, why don't we talk about the Great Leap forward and the massive famines caused by CCP policy?

> Germans were starving in the 20s too due to the outcome of WWI. The Nazi 'fixed' that. It sure seems like a reach to say that China in the 2020s is like Germany in the 1930s because Chinese were starving in the 1960s (and, to lesser extents, the 1970s and 1980s) and Germans were starving in the 1920s. Wouldn't it follow that China in the 1970s (or 1980s or 1990s) is analogous to Germany in 1930s? Oh wait, of course…

It's an absurd analogy only if you're in denial about the horrors of extreme nationalism or ideologies coupled with authoritarianism.

You even seem to deny that today's CCP is the same CCP as the one that cause the Great Leap Forward. In many ways, the CCP of today is more like the CCP of the 50s than the 90s.

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Of course that's a figure of speech, but hey, ok. With regards to the lunar new year break, Communist regimes actually have lots of public holidays. That's straight from their ideology, so not sure why you think that authoritarianism must equal to oppressing worker rights or the labour movement. That's why there is a distinction between the authoritarian left and the authoritarian right.

"[They eliminated] Almost everything, including the writing system" does not sound like a figure of speech to me, but you do you I guess.

Yeah, it's a figure of speech, specifically "puffery". It's not meant to be literal.

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Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

And how woefully undereducated and uninformed - or willfully ignorant (maybe even dumb) - a large percentage of the population is.

In my less pessimistic moments I like to think that many are not quite that uninformed and the interviewers find enough by sheer numbers interviewed.

What gets me is how easily inexperienced people are led to saying exactly what the interviewer wants. And it is blatant: they don't even pretend that isn't what they are doing on live news anymore.

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What are the elements of "Chinese culture" that persist in Taiwan and were eliminated in Mainland China?

Almost everything, including the writing system. They even thought about romanisation, but instead just settled on butchering many of the complex characters without fully considering the historical, linguistic or aesthetic concerns.

> butchering many of the complex characters without fully considering the historical, linguistic or aesthetic concerns.

There were committees of linguistic scholars that spent a ton of time on trying to reconcile the historical, linguistic and aesthetic concerns during the simplification effort.

Is it perfect? No. But it was also not an impulse move either.

Also one needs to consider the context of simplification --- the idea of simplification was quite a popular and progressive idea around that time in the entire area. It was widely believed that the complex Han characters were a big hurdle in improving literacy rates and bringing more opportunity to rural areas.

Both Japan and Korea engaged in similar simplification or de-ideogram efforts to varying degrees of success.

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If there's a solution Isn't what you're asking for just polling?

Aren't we trying to solve the trustworthiness of street interviews?

You can't. They are unrepresentative and meaningless as a means to inform.
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