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An Ode to Ruby

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Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by ryanbrunner »

jack_riminton wrote: post #180
ryanbrunner wrote: post #179

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Yeah, I think it helps that we're very intentionally lean (we currently have just 2 engineers servicing about 100,000 paid subscribers, which is a bit too lean for comfort for me, but at least makes us think very hard about introducing complexity).

I’ve often thought that this would be a good constraint i.e instead of hiring a dev ops to migrate to a complicated AWS/k8 setup, it might be better to spend that wage on added Heroku costs to keep things simple

Even in the AWS world, there's simpler options than k8. We run a pretty basic elastic beanstalk setup that serves us well enough. A big part of that is having a monolithic service though, most of the complexity either disappears or becomes pointless when your stack is just app servers, a DB and redis.

Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by pelasaco »

brigandish wrote: post #178
pelasaco wrote: post #171

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The "you should be using Crystal" post is mandatory in any ruby thread. If everyone saying "yes, Crystal" were actually using Crystal, then: a) they would see how far from "better ruby" is Crystal and b) The Crystal community would be huge.

> they would see how far from "better ruby" is Crystal Are you accusing us both of lying? How strange.

would you mind to post your github/gitlab repositories with your Crystal projects? Looking here I couldn't find anyone https://github.com/yb66?tab=repositories&q=&type=source&lang...

Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by princevegeta89 »

syspec wrote: post #121
rattray wrote: post #64

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Surprised you didn't try Elixir? What about Sorbet?

I would love to try elixir, but JetBrains still does not have an IDE for it. I'm addicted to their IDEs. I did try the community made plug-in for elixir, but had trouble getting the debugger to work which was a show stopper for me.

Sorry I had to intervene here. I had the same sentiment about IDE support for Elixir from using the mediocre IntelliJ Plugin.

However... after dabbling a bit I discovered VS Code + Remote Containers Plugin (because of Docker) + ElixirLS + other minor Elixir plugins that have turned my Elixir development experience into pure bliss. I haven't used the debugger in the IDE yet but I am 99% sure it's gonna work out of the box. Happy to try and share the setup if you want to try it out.

Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by teleforce »

pantulis wrote: post #11
Mikeb85 wrote: post #6

It's too bad Ruby isn't seen as 'cool' anymore, it's just so easy to be productive in it. And now MJIT, YJIT and TruffleRuby are making some very impressive performance gains. Rails is also better than ever and I still can't think of a better language for scripting.

What was cool was Rails, IMHO, and Ruby was the surprise inside it. I've had my own personal Advent of Code these holidays, coding a small API for a personal need. Ruby (Sinatra) took one morning to full deployment in Heroku. Then I tried Crystal (Kemal) and it took me a couple of days to figure out how to map JSON to Crystal data structures. Then I rewrote it again in Rust (Rocket). Two weeks till I figured out, wel…

Apparently Rails is the killer application for Ruby just like Unix/Linux is a killer application for C. What Ruby enabled is something that was not feasible to be done by Java, PHP, Perl and Python (top four most popular languages for web at the beginning of Rails). For better perspective on the matter please check an excellent article by Patrick Lee, the author of the new Stanza language.

[1]Stop designing languages. Write libraries instead:

https://jaxenter.com/stop-designing-languages-write-librarie...

Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by weatherlite »

syspec wrote: post #159
dnautics wrote: post #131

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You probably don't want to use an ide-driven debugger for elixir, you'll want to use :dbg which has a different "conceptual model" than what you are used to and doesn't map well onto Conventional debuggers. It's simply not the same due to the extreme high degree of concurrency in the beam VM

Well, no I actually do want that in my local environment where the only request is my own. The fact that you are telling me that I don't want something, is why people some people find the Elixir community off-putting.

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Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by montblanc »

Too wrote: post #164
ace33 wrote: post #12

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"I still can't think of a better language for scripting." Python I find equally if not more simple. Would you agree?

Even if you would rate the languages themselves equal to one another. The ecosystem of Python is several orders of magnitude larger. Anything you want to do has a python module or an example. I think the real question is, is it really worth giving up all that for two minor improvements in syntax.

As a Rails dev it's extremely rare for me to need some functionality that Ruby doesn't cover. If you're doing standard web development most likely you're gonna be fine with Ruby. I've been doing this with Ruby for around 8 years so I bumped into quite a few use cases...there are gems for all the standard things.

But yes outside web - data science, web crawlers etc...Python has the clear advantage.

Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by montblanc »

dnautics wrote: post #118
Toutouxc wrote: post #48

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I'm a Rails dev at $JOB, currently flirting with Phoenix, and while I think that both Elixir and Phoenix are really solid and even quite enchanting, I don't think they're the best choice for someone's first contact with webdev. Most people are more comfortable with imperative languages and Elixir only adds to the initial friction of not knowing the proper webdev lingo and concepts.

> Most people are more comfortable with imperative languages Unscientific poll with possibly a biased sample: more people find functional easier to work with. But telling, the difference is more pronounced among bootcampers and informally educated programmers than formally educated programmers https://twitter.com/DNAutics/status/1459348334007787526 . Not to mention that Elixir is basically "mostly functional but you…

Lol I like how you substantiated your argument with that Tweet. Looks like serious research.

Re: An Ode to Ruby

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Post by montblanc »

NoSorryCannot wrote: post #86
fourseventy wrote: post #62

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So you come from the Node ecosystem and your main complain about Rails is that the project has a lot of dependencies and files? lol

I hear your point but the quantity of files produced by initializing a new rails project is very large, larger than an equivalent node project with server and framework. These aren't transient build artifacts either, they will live in the repo and may occasionally need attention.

Rails is doing a lot for you. There's no point in comparing it to something lean like Express. If you want that in Ruby use Sinatra, not Rails.
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