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Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by pas »

throwawayacc2 wrote: post #121
polote wrote: post #44

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

> That's called shadowban in the case of OP. I’d call that fraud. If you pay for a service you get to use the service.

Does their ToS say they can terminate it without notice?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vmception »

throwaway90090 wrote: post #171
alias_neo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never done online dating, met my wife the old-fashioned way, but, it sounds like you're saying the network is making the choice of who should be matched/together, before they get the chance to decide for themselves? If that's true, how anyone thinks that isn't totally fucked is beyond me. I mean, I'm seriously, deeply concerned by this notion more than the usual privacy, data etc that big tech concerns me with,…

You have an Elo rating, like in chess (or something like that - it depends on the app and they sometimes tweak it, but the gist is that rating is defined recursively: your rating increases if you get liked by high rated people), and you get matched with people within a given range around your rating. When you lose interest they punctually entice you with out-of-range profiles. Like in chess, they show you very high r…

yes, exactly, but do notice that these apps all deny still having an ELO rating, but just know that this is just corporate speak no different than an ISP saying "well unlimited isn't a legal term and the experience is still the same", so just assume something similar is happening and act accordingly. act like an attractive person to get exposure to attractive people as long as possible, how do attractive people act? choosy and discerning. don't swipe on everyone, actually play the superficial game because you know who is attractive by consensus, even if it isn't your personal taste.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by jokoon »

polote wrote: post #44

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

I know a woman who got banned on two apps, including tinder.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

emteycz wrote: post #172
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many Tinders is there? In my country they's pretty much only it, none of the other apps have any users (especially in my age range). I'm also "kinda" banned on Tinder btw - or rather, my account got in an unusable state due to some bug, or an interaction between multiple bugs. The app literally barely works . How pathetic for a company this size. I feel sorry for anyone who has to work on their code base.

Why not delete and recreate your account?

And get actually banned? The app is so bad that I'd rather not use it at all. Anyway, I'm in a relationship now, so thankfully I don't need it.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by generalEvie »

JamesLeonis wrote: post #48

My 2¢; OP should do a charge-back. If anything bots don't do chargebacks. While you have no recourse in free services, you do when you pay with a credit card. Likewise the CC will still charge Tinder the processing fee of 1%-3%, so every chargeback is not only revenue lost but also a cost. Unfortunately all that advice is void if OP used a debit card.

While attempting a chargeback can be good advice, be very wary if you paid for the service via Google / Apple.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vmception »

guerrilla wrote: post #174
vmception wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely. But its even worse, its a crowdsourced eugenics program that the crowd doesn't know they are contributing to and I believe they would not consent to if they knew or had the choice (aside from not using the app at all). Basically your selection (match, don't match) isn't just a personal choice. It alters the other person's desirability based on your current desirability. Its a weighted choice that aff…

> Knowing that some derivative of this is employed allows you to game it How?

be discerning like a hot person. even if it slows down how often you get matched at all. make it only possibly for consensus attractive people to match with you.

the opposite than how I hear other guys use these apps.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by hansel_der »

TrueDuality wrote: post #59
cnlal wrote: post #18

Why do people use a service that has a written history of all your embarrassing hookups in the first place? In the past, intelligence agencies used to devote time and money to get such compromising information. Now people give it out for free.

It also used to be a social stigma which is why it had blackmail value. That's no longer the case in a lot of western countries.

still, the dataset of "who screwed whom, when, for how long" seems valuable for enriching other social graphs.

it's not that of a stigma nowadays, but i could be again, and certainly is if you are becoming a person of interest.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

throwawayacc2 wrote: post #121
polote wrote: post #44

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

> That's called shadowban in the case of OP. I’d call that fraud. If you pay for a service you get to use the service.

No, banning someone from a paid service is not fraud.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by xiphias2 »

jordemort wrote: post #92
DrammBA wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would definitely try to file a charge back with my bank, they sometimes exercise their own discretion on egregious cases like this and might be worth a shot.

In this case it's probably billed through the relevant app store, so you'd be starting a fight with either Google or Apple there, which could end up going even more badly than the interaction with Tinder did.

With Paypal and Herz it was quite easy for me: i filed a request, Herz didn't answer, I elevated to paypal to make the decision, Herz didn't care to answer and I got back my money. I guess it's the dame for Tinder, they don't care enough to manually review the chargebacks.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by toastal »

This reminds me of my ban from Gumtree. I had issues making a post because I was using uMatrix which blocks (the malicious) reCAPTCHA that they use to block spam posts. With no errors about the missing reCAPTCHA script on the screen and just redirecting me to the submission after what seemed like a sever error, I just tried to resubmit my listing 3 times in a row. I got banned. I emailed them along the lines of "hey, I'm not a bot and I looked into it and it seems there's an issue with reCAPTCHA and error reporting". I got a response that for asking about ban and asking about reCAPTCHA, I was going to have my account, email address, and IP banned. What a joke.
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