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The Tinkerbell Griftopia

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Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#181
post #160

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Yes, some people are selling a lot more art because of NFTs. For one thing, there's only so much space on your walls for prints, but a huge enormous amount of space in your wallet to hold NFTs. Whales / superfans can spend even more than they otherwise could - which isn't a bad thing for artists. Another thing is the immediacy of selling. Tweet little corners of something while you make something, tweet about it when…

> For one thing, there's only so much space on your walls for prints, but a huge enormous amount of space in your wallet to hold NFTs. Whales / superfans can spend even more than they otherwise could - which isn't a bad thing for artists. This is quite silly. Digital art has been a thing for years. By raw numbers, the majority of independent artists these days make a living doing digital art commissions. And yes, to…

You can make art according to your own creative impulses (and get paid for that) or...you can make commissioned porn for furries. Choose wisely.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#182
post #170

Anyway here you go https://thenftbay.org/description.html https://thenftbay.org/ You can have all the NFTs in existence without having to wear out your right click button. We can all be "rich"

Yet, are you rich after torrenting that? Of course not. There's the disconnect. The phantom in the system that some people aren't groking; the leap of faith. Why do (a vast minority of) the NFTs in that torrent still have value, despite the torrent existing? Why is Disney worth $275B despite all of their movies hitting The Pirate Bay immediately upon their release? I can Google Image search pictures of the Mona Lisa…

> Why is Disney worth $275B despite all of their movies hitting The Pirate Bay immediately upon their release?

Merchandise, theme parks, movie tickets, cruises, live shows (eg "Disney on Ice"), and so on. You're typically not going to find an HD quality pirated movie the second it hits theaters, only once it's released to the home or sent out as a screener. That's only a tiny slice of their diversified pie. For the record, I'm not usually one to defend Disney as a corporation.

> I can Google Image search pictures of the Mona Lisa with zero effort. Thus, the original is worthless?

It's not worthless. :) The original is the original physical painting that you can touch and feel, and your Google Image results are a bunch of pixels of photos/scans of the painting. On the other hand, if you create an original .jpg and sell it as an NFT, every other .jpg of that NFT is literally identical to the original, something you cannot achieve with your Mona Lisa comparison.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remove "drunk" from that tweet and the opposite point is made: why must we demand that a thing is all bad or all good? Edit: not sure why this is being downvoted. I am not defending NFTs, just saying that a comparison to something clearly wrong like drunk driving needs to be established with more evidence than hyperlinking dril.

All you're saying is that if you leave out a crucial word in the initial statement, the meaning changes. Fine, but so what?

That is a very uncharitable interpretation of my comment. Here is an explanation for you:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29281263

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#184
There are several major issues with NFTs but I don't think this article identifies any of them:

- NFTs are not durable. All of the implementations I've seen are trading "ownership" of URLs that rely on DNS and WHOIS. URL is nice for convenience feature, but they should at least include file hashes, ideally multiple perceptual hashes as well. If there is a central point of failure in a web service, the benefits of decentralization are null. If OpenSea goes down, your NFT is effectively gone: so what is the effective distinction from OpenSea hosting a centralized database?

- Scarcity is entirely illusory across ecosystems. A given NFT within one ecosystem may be scarce, but there is nothing preventing duplicate NFTs of the exact same content (or minor pixel changes). That's why perceptual and file hashes would be useful: currently there is little to stop someone from taking popular NFTs on one ecosystem and selling the same images on another ecosystem. Ecosystems have a financial incentive to ignore enforcing duplicated content from other ecosystems: it makes them more money and hurts their competitors at the cost of possible minor reputation risk. Each NFT ecosystem is effectively a separate competing namespace system. Imagine if opensea://google.com and rarible://google.com were entirely independent and routed to servers controlled by competing organizations: chaos.

- There is no validation of copyright upon NFT creation. I can find someone else's art, make an NFT and sell it. NFT ecosystems need to evolve into becoming more like auction houses: their brand's value should be based on the trust that the art sold is not counterfeit, and are being sold by the true owner.

- NFTs have not succeeded in a test within the courts (afaik, lmk if you have an example of this). NFTs grant no legal rights to the holder. If NFTs granted the exclusive right to license that content AND courts enforced that right, they could be immensely valuable. There is no unified "IP Registry" that I can find a picture/audio/video on the internet and look up who the current owner is to contact for licensing. This is the killer app for NFTs IMO, but whether courts will play along with code-as-law has not been legally validated yet.

Fortunately for NFTs, non of these are technically insurmountable. Maybe there are some smaller ecosystems that have better designs, but it seems the big players are all taking the easy path and building a fragile foundation for ownership.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#185
post #146

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I’m curious if anyone actually feels like it’s real, or if it’s 99% speculation. I tend to think it’s the latter.

Speculation and money laundering. NFTs are perfect for the latter.

Does anyone have evidence for nfts-as-money-laundering? I keep seeing this thrown around without any actual reasoning...

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#186

I think what Stephen misses in his campaign against crypto is that the old ideals have already been coopted and smothered with the corporatization of the web and splintering of what was a decentralized ecosystem into a megacorp walled gardens. I know there's a tiny community of non-crypto decentralized web advocates and I hope they win. But, the main force for a return to decentralization is in crypto and the only re…

> But, the main force for a return to decentralization is in crypto The more I watch this space, the more I realize that many of these projects are just an excuse to flip novel tokens for a quick profit. We reached the point where there are enough blockchains and crypto tokens for almost every conceivable purpose. At this point, many of the new entrants feel like they’re just arbitrarily bolting new coins and new tok…

> What’s stopping any of these companies from simply buying 51% of the tokens to a decentralized DAO, for example?

Smaller coins, sure. Its a legitimate concern.

But it becomes far harder as coins get bigger. Up to a local maxima of general global use and investment. Even harder as companies compete against one-another to do the same thing. What's stopping Chase Bank from buying up tons of coins and mining power to control Bitcoin? Well, every other human who owns Bitcoin, not to mention Bank of America and Wells Fargo.

Company interest in doing this will naturally correlate with usage. Which means, companies & governments simply wont do it until its too late and they can't. And if they did; if they jumped the shark; the coin's value would drop as users recognize this, and their investment would be ruined. Suicide-bombing is not in the self-interest of most corporations. The GDP of the US, the single richest cohesive entity on the planet, is still only ~25% the GDP of Planet Earth.

This sort of co-option of a currency won't happen, because a currency would either be so big that no entity could afford to do it, or a currency is so small that taking control would destroy its market and their investment.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#187
post #158

I work in the crypto industry right now - my job is to keep bad guys from stealing XXX millions of dollars. I've also worked on a team that has done the tech side of several record breaking NFT's sales. And I've sold my own NFTS for fun, and strangers have bought them (wat!). I'm not a "believer". Crypto is indeed full of idiots - and scammers - and crazy people who will say anything to see the token they hold go up…

Last night, I was buying some dumb something on some random website, as one does. And they offered cryptocurrency as a checkout option. "Well, I've got some money in coinbase; why not try it? Its only $10." It was the best "stateless" checkout experience I have ever had. Sure, Amazon is easier, but I already have an account with them. I'm talking specifically on a totally new website. Select a currency; pops up a QR…

The ability to dispute a charge has value, and the cost will be borne by someone. Removing Visa just means replacing it with some other entity that fills this need.

Truly peer-to-peer cash transactions without recourse is a bad idea that I think will actually increase friction in the market, since people will take longer to make purchasing decisions.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#188

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> But, the main force for a return to decentralization is in crypto and the only realistic alternative to a web3 future is one where everything is a property of Google, Facebook, Microsoft, &c It'd be awfully nice if said decentralization was offering more valuable things than just naked ponzi schemes. I'm on team "we're in an ad bubble and it's disgusting that these major companies created a surveillance state" but…

I think it's easy to miss the content at the core of the movement given how thoroughly it's wrapped in gold rush and scamming. But the more time I spend around the space the more it seems that there is a legitimately transformative force which attracts the gold rush in the first place. And the ethos of people working on e.g. research DAOs, decentralized publishing, crypto art, &c feels right compared to the web2 worl…

> But the more time I spend around the space ...

The more you get sucked in to the reality distortion field. I've been there, get out.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#189
"A lot of us older grizzled engineers came from an open source culture that, at least aspirationally, built software around ideas of abundance, post-scarcity, universal access, and equality"

I can't square this type of thinking with actual analysis. Some tech bro is making $225k arbing AVAX every day? I can literally go and check out his contract on chain. I can deploy it myself! How is that anything but abundance, universal access, and equality?

TBH if you check out this guys tweets its like 70% crypto stuff, but anti crypto. I think he found his social echo chamber and is exulting in the attention.

Re: The Tinkerbell Griftopia

#190
post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet, are you rich after torrenting that? Of course not. There's the disconnect. The phantom in the system that some people aren't groking; the leap of faith. Why do (a vast minority of) the NFTs in that torrent still have value, despite the torrent existing? Why is Disney worth $275B despite all of their movies hitting The Pirate Bay immediately upon their release? I can Google Image search pictures of the Mona Lisa…

> Why is Disney worth $275B despite all of their movies hitting The Pirate Bay immediately upon their release? Merchandise, theme parks, movie tickets, cruises, live shows (eg "Disney on Ice"), and so on. You're typically not going to find an HD quality pirated movie the second it hits theaters, only once it's released to the home or sent out as a screener. That's only a tiny slice of their diversified pie. For the r…

"NFT is literally identical to the original" Youre so close here! Literally identical except for the fact that people are willing to pay millions of dollars for one, and not the other! Perhaps there is something else that makes them different too.....
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