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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ghaff »

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #162
lupire wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?

Yes I know. That's part of the problem. I don't want to be in that eco system. Even just to apply for a job at Facebook they expect you to already have a Facebook account. The arrogance of the whole thing is just problematic.

While there are lots of reasons to not want to use Facebook, it's also pretty reasonable that refusing to use a potential employer's product would be pretty much a non-starter when it comes to employment.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by mupuff1234 »

achenatx wrote: post #65
civilized wrote: post #19

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Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past de…

facebook groups and marketplace are huge. Marketplace will be the craigslist killer if they can fix their scammer problems. Groups compete well with reddit. As they build a 'metaverse' groups, marketplace, and walls can form the foundation you wall is your own personal space. Your groups and the marketplace become places that you go to.

How will the "metaverse" UX improve any of those experiences?

Kinda reminds me when as a kid I was excited about windows 3d UI since it sounded cool, but quickly realized it's way less convenient.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by throwaway47292 »

The bubble we (hn) live in, is turning against fb/google/evil corp for various reasons, but the truth is, like any corp they will have ups and downs, if this meta shit pays out (fortnite skins for 2 billion people is basically infinite money) they will just buy their way out. Or they will buy the devs in another way, like apple is buying them indirectly for 30% commission on their apps.

Worse case, you get survivor bias of people without moral compass, as anyone who cares leaves. Let's see how the social dilemma will play out, if the devs are actually malicious.

(edit: grammar)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by msandford »

ghaff wrote: post #181
0x0nyandesu wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I know. That's part of the problem. I don't want to be in that eco system. Even just to apply for a job at Facebook they expect you to already have a Facebook account. The arrogance of the whole thing is just problematic.

While there are lots of reasons to not want to use Facebook, it's also pretty reasonable that refusing to use a potential employer's product would be pretty much a non-starter when it comes to employment.

Do you think that Ford only hires people that have only bought Ford all their lives? They check your car on the way to the interview and if it's not Ford you're automatically DQ'd?

How would that work being a new hire at Tesla considering that they probably pay a lot of folks less than is required to own one?

Cars, appliances, housing, fuel & energy, food, etc. Huge, huge swaths of the economy don't require brand loyalty because it's not reasonable to expect.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ghaff »

dgfitz wrote: post #161
tjs8rj wrote: post #142

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Twitter is just as dangerous as Facebook as far as I can tell. So much outrage that’s spilled into riots and bloodshed has been fomented on there in broad daylight with little repercussion. Do you judge people who work at Twitter too?

Yup. I also judge people who use Twitter but I doubt that will go over well here.

Not everyone who uses Twitter uses it to connect to extreme political personalities. Plenty use it to keep connected to smart people in tech and elsewhere.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by lovich »

thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

I thought teachers spent much of the summer break maintaining certifications and incorporating new school regulations into their lesson plans for the next year. I don’t think it’s a 3 month break for them

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by stale2002 »

msandford wrote: post #184
ghaff wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While there are lots of reasons to not want to use Facebook, it's also pretty reasonable that refusing to use a potential employer's product would be pretty much a non-starter when it comes to employment.

Do you think that Ford only hires people that have only bought Ford all their lives? They check your car on the way to the interview and if it's not Ford you're automatically DQ'd? How would that work being a new hire at Tesla considering that they probably pay a lot of folks less than is required to own one? Cars, appliances, housing, fuel & energy, food, etc. Huge, huge swaths of the economy don't require brand loy…

A better analogy would be if you refused to even go to fords website, or if during a company event, you refused to even step foot in a ford car that drove you somewhere.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by lmilcin »

throwaway47292 wrote: post #183

The bubble we (hn) live in, is turning against fb/google/evil corp for various reasons, but the truth is, like any corp they will have ups and downs, if this meta shit pays out (fortnite skins for 2 billion people is basically infinite money) they will just buy their way out. Or they will buy the devs in another way, like apple is buying them indirectly for 30% commission on their apps. Worse case, you get survivor b…

The trouble for FB is that best developers have free choice of where they are going to work.

Yes, when you need to pay your bills and FB is going to pay a shit ton of money, most people will rationalize, bend and accept FB's offer.

But when people have basically free choice of where they can work this is when most of them actually start paying attention to non-financial aspects of their decision.

FB's model requires them to be able to hire a lot of really good developers. It may take some time, but if they have trouble hiring really good developers they may start a vicious circle with end result that they will be open to being caught by competition.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by meowkit »

campbel wrote: post #105
mkl95 wrote: post #22

This is an entirely subjective take, but in the last few years FB seem to have evolved from one the coolest places for an engineer to being at the bottom of FAANG. I wonder if a significant amount of those people are looking for positions at Google/Amazon or they are taking their expertise somewhere else.

I've never understood obsession with FAANG. Seems like it is only meaningful to younger folks in the industry looking to establish themselves. You want FAANG on your resume so you can get the job you really want.

Same obsession as with the Ivy's/top schools. Its a status marker/credential.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ghaff »

msandford wrote: post #184
ghaff wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While there are lots of reasons to not want to use Facebook, it's also pretty reasonable that refusing to use a potential employer's product would be pretty much a non-starter when it comes to employment.

Do you think that Ford only hires people that have only bought Ford all their lives? They check your car on the way to the interview and if it's not Ford you're automatically DQ'd? How would that work being a new hire at Tesla considering that they probably pay a lot of folks less than is required to own one? Cars, appliances, housing, fuel & energy, food, etc. Huge, huge swaths of the economy don't require brand loy…

There was certainly a period when having Japanese-made cars in an American car manufacturer's parking lot was an invitation to (however much I disapprove) have your car smashed up.

But in more modern times, there's certainly a general expectation to use your employer's products when it's reasonable to do so even if they're not your preferred options. There are exceptions of course and tech companies are usually more flexible these days.

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