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Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by vidarh » Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:52 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #180

vidarh wrote: post #96

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Putting "crime capitals of Europe" into Google gets me multiple lists, only one of which includes Barcelona. The one which includes it places it 26th in Europe, behind a whole lot of cities I've felt totally safe in.

Feeling safe in the street is one thing, but those ranks miss that the big fat crime will try its best to be invisible and unnoticed. January 2021: "Police in Spain have reported the seizure of 827000 ecstasy pills, 76 Kg of amphetamine, 39.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, 89 kg of cannabis, and 1.65 kg of cocaine in what they claim to be the biggest drug haul in Europe" https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-…

Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources.

With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming all use is abuse is a severely puritan value judgement. I'd much rather be around an ecstasy or cannabis user than an alcohol user for example.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by pvaldes » Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #181

pvaldes wrote: post #180

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Feeling safe in the street is one thing, but those ranks miss that the big fat crime will try its best to be invisible and unnoticed. January 2021: "Police in Spain have reported the seizure of 827000 ecstasy pills, 76 Kg of amphetamine, 39.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, 89 kg of cannabis, and 1.65 kg of cocaine in what they claim to be the biggest drug haul in Europe" https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-…

Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources. With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming al…

If being safe on the streets is what we are talking, sorry, but we definitely must have a small talk about drugs and cars.

Friends don't let their friends drive while high on ecstasy (specially when there are a lot of children riding pink bikes in the street).

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by vidarh » Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 2:41 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #182

vidarh wrote: post #181

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Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources. With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming al…

If being safe on the streets is what we are talking, sorry, but we definitely must have a small talk about drugs and cars. Friends don't let their friends drive while high on ecstasy (specially when there are a lot of children riding pink bikes in the street).

Again, if there are sources to suggest that the streets of Barcelona justifies calling it one of the "crime capitals of Europe", feel free to supply them rather than presenting unsupported hypotheses about how drug users behave there.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by pvaldes » Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #183

pvaldes wrote: post #182

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If being safe on the streets is what we are talking, sorry, but we definitely must have a small talk about drugs and cars. Friends don't let their friends drive while high on ecstasy (specially when there are a lot of children riding pink bikes in the street).

Again, if there are sources to suggest that the streets of Barcelona justifies calling it one of the "crime capitals of Europe", feel free to supply them rather than presenting unsupported hypotheses about how drug users behave there.

Nah, the streets are 100% safe and this is Arcadia. Forget it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeQMinhj1M

It feels pretty futuristic to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8C8fLMoTqE

And Yeah, drug users are gentlemen and their bad image is undeserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cimtfC9Ag

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by vidarh » Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 8:39 AM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #184

vidarh wrote: post #183

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Again, if there are sources to suggest that the streets of Barcelona justifies calling it one of the "crime capitals of Europe", feel free to supply them rather than presenting unsupported hypotheses about how drug users behave there.

Nah, the streets are 100% safe and this is Arcadia. Forget it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpeQMinhj1M It feels pretty futuristic to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8C8fLMoTqE And Yeah, drug users are gentlemen and their bad image is undeserved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cimtfC9Ag

London have had machete fights, and riots, and lots of drug dealers, yet I have in 21 years of living here never been in a dangerous situation. Neither parts of those sentence proves anything about the safety of London, just like your videos proves nothing. Anecdotes are not data. Try again.

I'll note I have no idea if Barcelona is safe or not. It's possible it's a crime-ridden shithole, but nobody in this thread have substantiated that claim with a source, despite the person who originally made the claim suggested it was easy to establish with a search - which turned out to not support their claim at all.

It's perfectly possible there are stats that shows that Barcelona is in fact as dangerous as they claimed. But supporting that claim requires actual sources, not random videos.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by sandermvanvliet » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 8:28 AM UTC

jseban wrote: post #99

sandermvanvliet wrote: post #81

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I live in Rotterdam and don’t drive my car in the city anymore, only to go out of the city. We’ve had quite a few changes with reduction in lanes (2 to 1) to allow less traffic in to reduce the air pollution and by doing that bike lanes got bigger which I think is a good thing. It makes driving a car in the city less attractive and while I have no idea if more people ride bikes now, from my limited perspective it doe…

Same where I live, and now we have 1 empty bike lane and traffic jam in the remaining with sirens all the time because emergency vehicles can't pass anymore. It seems completely useless, convert a fully functional lane of a road, to an empty lane that's not used, why? And that reasoning is also really strange, just remove roads to force people to drive less? Well you also just removed mobility? Remove busses, subways…

The lane closure (or rather: repurposing) now provides fast access for emergency vehicles. Given that most of the roads they’ve made these changes on are the direct route to the university hospital it’s a good outcome.