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Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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But isn't this exactly what makes Silicon Valley so effective? A willingness to challenge the status quo and rapidly iterate.

Move fast and break things doesn't work so well with things like the supply chain. We don't have a good qa env.

> Move fast and break things doesn't work so well with things like the supply chain.

What about when it’s already almost completely broken and getting worse? That’s precisely when you need creative out of the container thinking.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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It's weird to me that thousands of people work at the docks or with the trucks, and likely understand these problems quite well, but only after a silicon valley guy rented a boat to take a look and tweeted about it did it come to attention of the larger world. Is it just that these other people don't want to "rock the boat" at their place of employment?

I mean it was a government regulation, there isn't much they could do about it. I assume the 2 stack limit was due to safety reasons, like maybe they are more prone to collapsing like dominoes when stacked too high, and a good wind blows, I don't know. It makes me think of the egg crate challenge a little bit. It's good that the mayor made a temporary adjustment and was allowed to save face. Hopefully it will make a…

No. It was entirely for esthetics.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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It’s not clear to me whether the zoning regulation was changed in response to the Twitter thread.

Petersen is well thought of and his analysis and suggestions were copied by other industry types, for example Sal Mercogliano [1]. It also happened very soon after Petersen's suggestion. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERqikbfoLnw

Happening so soon is actually a mark against it being related

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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I mean it was a government regulation, there isn't much they could do about it. I assume the 2 stack limit was due to safety reasons, like maybe they are more prone to collapsing like dominoes when stacked too high, and a good wind blows, I don't know. It makes me think of the egg crate challenge a little bit. It's good that the mayor made a temporary adjustment and was allowed to save face. Hopefully it will make a…

Allegedly, the 2 stack limit was put in place for aesthetic reasons. On the ships they're stacked way taller than that!

Checks out, this is CA after all. NIMBYs are all about their sight lines. Couldn't possibly let a stack of containers diminish their view.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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Related: The mayor of Long Beach has increased the stacking limit. https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertGarcia/status/1451679404757...

It's weird to me that thousands of people work at the docks or with the trucks, and likely understand these problems quite well, but only after a silicon valley guy rented a boat to take a look and tweeted about it did it come to attention of the larger world. Is it just that these other people don't want to "rock the boat" at their place of employment?

Or they have asking for it for many years and it was ignored until the president put a spotlight on LB harbor and the mayor scrambled to look like he was doing something. Time may tell if it has any impact. At worst, the mayor end up being able to say they tried something. At best it helps resolve the problem, or the problem resolves itself over time and they can still claim a credit

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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It's weird to me that thousands of people work at the docks or with the trucks, and likely understand these problems quite well, but only after a silicon valley guy rented a boat to take a look and tweeted about it did it come to attention of the larger world. Is it just that these other people don't want to "rock the boat" at their place of employment?

They are most likely all blind men feeling an elephant. They can all see some inefficiency but they don’t necessarily have a great view of what upstream problem is causing it or who to call to fix it. I would imagine most companies don’t sufficiently reward low level employees pointing out and proactively fixing inefficiencies.

Dock Workers don't have the ability To change city regulations. For all we know, the organizations have been pushing for this change for decades.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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This was already one Rx from the Twitter thread. Also not all “capitalists” have aligned incentives. Everybody wants shipping to be efficient except those who profit from this inefficiency. Specifically ship companies are making huge profits by racing to the big East Asian ports right now. So much profit that they don’t want their ships to wait in US ports for empty containers to reload. This asymmetry makes it even…

Not at all Tragedy of the Commons. In 40 days (one round trip from US to China), the system clogs and the boats can't go running off because they can't unload at all (happening now). At this point the system stabilizes. Sure, it's not a stable point that the shipping companies want, but it is stable. Capitalism has a way to deal with this. It's called "rising prices". However, business managers have gotten far too us…

I’m not sure if waging a siege on ourselves is a free market solution here.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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Doesn’t the thread say that there is nowhere to unload containers to, even if there was labor? That seems like what’s causing the truck shortage - it’s not a truck shortage, it’s an empty truck shortage.

I think that point in the thread was really about the lack of chassis on which to move the containers. That part I'm inclined to agree with to a certain extent, but then you're back to asking why there aren't enough chassis, and I'm back to asking why there are still full containers on the docks that can accept stacking empties higher than 2x.

Does "chassis" ~= "truck"? It seems like maybe a technical, specific term that I don't understand.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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I think that point in the thread was really about the lack of chassis on which to move the containers. That part I'm inclined to agree with to a certain extent, but then you're back to asking why there aren't enough chassis, and I'm back to asking why there are still full containers on the docks that can accept stacking empties higher than 2x.

It sounds like the chassis traditionally will arrive with an empty container, and then swap it for a full container. They can't do that now if here isn't a place to drop the container. Temporarily lifting the zoning restrictions + employing chassis solely to move containers out of the yard (instead of swapping them for empties) seems like the fastest fix

This is my understanding. The ports are "backed up" in the biological sense.

Re: Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis

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There's some good stuff in here, but also some bad ideas. The bad ones: - Bring the military and National Guard container chassis to relieve the ports. That works, unless there's a situation where the military or National Guard need them , in which case it could be catastrophic. - Force railroads to haul to this one particular new site. First, I kind of bristle at the word "force". That's not how it works in a free c…

Theres an AFB outside of LA with proper rail siding. He identified it & facilities in thread. Railroad are a regulated monopoly. DOT/FRA can mandate service & regulate rates (either for freight or using their track) to prevent one carrier from making movement impossible. If DOT/FRA do it right they'd economically incentivise the short haul.

This Guardian article highlights deregulation as a root cause of the current problems:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/americ...

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Another example is railroads. Since deregulation in 1980, Wall Street consolidated 33 firms into just seven. And because the Surface Transportation Board lacks authority, Wall Street-owned railroads cut their workforce by 33% over the last six years, degrading our public shipping capacity. The Union Pacific closed a giant Chicago sorting facility in 2019; it now has so much backed up traffic that it suspended traffic from west coast ports.

Ocean shipping is the same. The 1997 Ocean Shipping Reform Act legalized secret rebates and led to a merger wave. The entire industry has now consolidated globally into three giant alliances that occasionally crash their too-big-to-sail ships into the side of the Suez canal.

Then there’s trucking. Talk to most businesspeople who make or move things and they will complain about the driver shortage. This too is a story of deregulation. In the 1970s, the end of public rate-setting forced trucking firms to compete against each other to offer lower shipping prices. The way they did this was by lowering pay to their drivers. Trucking on a firm-level became unpredictable and financially fragile, so for drivers schedules became unsustainable, even if the pay during boom times could be high. Today, even though pay is going up, the scheduling is crushing drivers. The result is a shortage of truckers.

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These problems have been building for some time. There was no spare capacity left and the sudden rise in demand overwhelmed the system, and it takes years to increase capacity. After deregulation hedge funds bought up railroads, gutted common carrier regulations, and forced railroads to only carry the most profitable cargo, while _closing_ rail terminals! This also forced more cargo onto trucks.

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