Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

Post by brightball » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 3:07 AM UTC

whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #173

sam0x17 wrote: post #83

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I wonder how this compares with Wasabi. I was very bullish on them a few years ago.

I've tried a bunch of the cheap / unlimited players. Any claim that they offer what S3 offers is usually totally and completely false. Either bandwidth is not actually unlimited or its terrible quality, or storage is not reliable or or or. With S3 I've never had a problem with data loss. Eventual consistency stuff was totally annoying back when that was the way they did things, though that was documented. Dev support…

Post by babelfish » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

inopinatus wrote: post #177

maxpert wrote: post #19

How is Cloudflare gonna coup up the price? These numbers are too good to be true (Sorry I am naive in how egress pricing works).

They're trying to drive up their volumes in the hope of obtaining more peering. This is evidently the core of Cloudflare's business strategy, emerging in practically everything they do tactically; from Matthew Prince having an epic public sook earlier this year about AWS's network team telling him to jump in a lake, to this. Peering drives down the marginal cost of bandwidth, and this is super relevant since Cloudfla…

Post by deeblering4 » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 3:34 AM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #176

deeblering4 wrote: post #84

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Because it's significantly cheaper and diversifies your presence across multiple providers. It's a good idea to split origin and CDN, this way requests can be served from cache while origin is down or overloaded. Plus I'd challenge the suggestions that S3 and CDN are a tiny portion of the infrastructure. For a lot of sites it's a significant chunk, things remaining wouldn't be many, maybe compute, DNS, and CI.

> diversifies your presence across multiple providers. In this case, for most AWS/CF customers, that diversification is of the "downtime on either represents downtime for their customer" variety. (I'm still a fan of this offering and the pressure it put on the current high price of egress bandwidth, of course.)

Post by mst » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 3:47 AM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #107

greg-m wrote: post #98

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Hey, R2 PM here - there's no question that the product will have 0 egress charges, regardless of destination. For archival use-cases, you do still pay us for data storage. We're referring to not charging for operations for infrequent access - we'll likely drop the stored data charge down too, eventually, but the current pricing is complex enough.

Thanks! R2 coming out with $0 egress is somewhere between unbelievable and literal-miracle. I suppose my only skepticism is "but how fast can I egress?" -- if the bandwidth is 100x slower than GCP, it might dampen my enthusiasm a little bit. But honestly I'd still take a 100x slowdown if it means I can do long term archival without paying $200 just to download the data, soooo.... Anyway, cheers, and thanks for doing…

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 3:58 AM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #134

sillysaurusx wrote: post #107

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Thanks! R2 coming out with $0 egress is somewhere between unbelievable and literal-miracle. I suppose my only skepticism is "but how fast can I egress?" -- if the bandwidth is 100x slower than GCP, it might dampen my enthusiasm a little bit. But honestly I'd still take a 100x slowdown if it means I can do long term archival without paying $200 just to download the data, soooo.... Anyway, cheers, and thanks for doing…

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