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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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I have not tried it out extensively but it has the same two problems that youtube competitors have. Library is smaller and it's not the same speed/quality. YouTube has a hold over our internet culture at this point and I think only a anti monopoly lawsuit can fix this.

Sure, but it's not our job to pick -- we just try everything and fight from all angles.

I'm not sure what you want to pick.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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As copyrighted material, it should be required that a copy be stored with library of Congress. It used to be that LoC submission was part of the deal with copyright, but somehow we forgot that and important history has already been lost.

It’s oft forgotten that U.S. intellectual property constructs were created not purely for the natural rights of individual creators, but as an incentive for public benefit: “to promote the progress of science and useful arts”.

It was common in the late 18th century to provide a rationale for the passage of a law, but the law itself by its very passage becomes legitimate irrespective of whether it fulfills its stated purpose. The rationale doesn't restrict the scope of the law, it's simply a belt onion: there because "it was the style at the time".

Courts have ruled that the justification in the Second Amendment, of establishing and protecting "a well-regulated Militia", does not bind the amendment to apply only to the establishment and protection of a body designated as the militia (e.g., the National Guard).

Similarly, IP laws need not "promote the progress of Science and the useful Arts" to be legitimate. If Congress passes IP laws to protect large cartels with no public benefit, and maybe even public harm, those laws are in full force and 100% constitutional.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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To be fair, it is violence. The guy took it like a champ, and quipped something funny which I found the reaction to be really hillarious. But the internet, including MMA sports and other things have really de-sensitized people on real violence. I for one can't say I like real violence.

It is, but at what point do we start not allowing people to display a fist connecting with another person? Violence isn't good in most situations, but do we really need to just not allow it at all, even in this comedic setting? I don't know anyone that sees someone get assaulted in real life and think that that isn't a bad thing. We're desensitized, but I don't think we're that desensitized.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

To be fair, tons of TV shows have been wiped from history as well. I learned recently that many game shows from the 60s and 70s are mostly gone, including early episodes of Wheel of Fortune!

Yes even public state sponsored broadcasters didn't take archiving seriously in the beginning of television.

Of course before the widespread adoption of videorecorders in the 80s the public could never rewatch anything. Nothing was meant to last.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

#186

At this point, Google is pretty much the fae folk of tech: immensely powerful beings with inscrutable motives and mercurial dispositions, inclined to rain ruin on your head at the slightest provocation or even just on a whim. Best to leave a saucer of milk out for them at night, and studiously avoid the areas they control if you value your anything.

Supporting your point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28695806

There’s been a lot of controversy lately about Robinhood/Citadel/GME/Reddit. And it looks like either Google might be taking sides, or that if you are powerful enough you can get Google to block some search results/suggestions.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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> but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. I couldn't agree with this more. It's our culture and it's our life. Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens instead of being in touch with nature and living off the land or pursuing our own passions? Yeah, it is. But it is what it is. We are defined by our experiences, memories, and…

> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets. There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

Well, most of it is just trash that won’t make anyone less rich if lost. It’s like putting a script of Antigone and a sex advertising graffiti in Pompeii on the same level.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s oft forgotten that U.S. intellectual property constructs were created not purely for the natural rights of individual creators, but as an incentive for public benefit: “to promote the progress of science and useful arts”.

It was common in the late 18th century to provide a rationale for the passage of a law, but the law itself by its very passage becomes legitimate irrespective of whether it fulfills its stated purpose. The rationale doesn't restrict the scope of the law, it's simply a belt onion: there because "it was the style at the time". Courts have ruled that the justification in the Second Amendment, of establishing and protect…

> does not bind the amendment to apply only to the establishment and protection of a body designated as the militia

It does, but only because US code says that there's two militias. The organized militias (the National Guards), and the unorganized militias consisting of every able bodied man 17-45. Since the 14th amendment was written later, that bit of code is now interpreted to mean all adults.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

#189

This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

Indeed. I began obsessively downloading and archiving every video I think worth watching more than once. My catalyst was noticing many of my favorite content creators removing their old content after deciding it either didn't match their current audience or decided it was too edgy for the current climate. One guy deleted a decade of videos after someone pointed out he said f*g in one of them.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

#190

And, it's back up per OP. https://twitter.com/Twotafkap/status/1443250484458962953

Even though I’m glad it’s back up, it sucks that it takes things being publicly blown up for Google/Youtube to do anything about their users/customers problems.

Earlier this year my Google ads account got banned after not having used it for more than a year. The reason given was some vague message about violating their terms. Which terms or why? They didn’t say. Which ad or campaign? They didn’t say. Tried an appeal, rejected by a robot, tried again, rejected by a robot again.

So they still ran the campaigns back in the day, they took my money, they didn’t say a thing, but then a year later they auto-ban my account? smh.

Man I feel so powerless sometimes.

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