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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by chii »

phkahler wrote: post #151
notatoad wrote: post #144

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>perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month that's still "generating revenue". maybe not profit, but servers and bandwidth cost non-trivial amounts of money and somebody has to pay for that. whether it's donations, or user-fees, or ads, or private benefactors, the revenue has to come from somewhere. but if a video service has no answer as to how it can sustain itself, it's questio…

Use your unused upstream bandwidth. Like bit torrent for video.

So why not just make the video available on torrent?

It's even possible to streamline the experience for torrents like how Popcorntime has done. Users don't need to even be technical enough to understand what torrents are - the same way users don't need to understand tcp/ip to visit a website.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by JCharante »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #105
pacifist wrote: post #81

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Why would you want advertisers? Advertisers are part of the problem.

You'll have a hard time convincing any creator to cut off a revenue source like ads for ideological reasons.

it's not like the OG creators expected money from it. They did it as a part time hobby to show friends. They didn't expect to transform their lives. I get just as much enjoyment watching creators who only spend a few hours per week on their content as a hobby as those who have turned it into a giant company with employees and a studio. Actually, I get less enjoyment from those who have overly commercialized their channel.

Why does money have to touch everything? Why do I continue to make comments on HN? It's certainly not because I hope to monitize this. It's fun and you share your ideas.

Acting like removing the ability for creators to get money from ads is going to eliminate all creators is silly, so yes it's a hard sell for existing creators, and if forced upon it'll remove a lot of the profit driven creators, and I view that as a good thing.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by chii »

serverholic wrote: post #125
jcims wrote: post #103

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How much would I have to pay to replace the revenue that a content creater would get from my eyeball traffic on YouTube? From what I'm reading it's less than a penny per video. I send about $30/mo to Patreon, that's enough for what, 3000 videos? I watch YouTube way too much, but I don't watch it that much. Realistically I should be aiming to replace Google's revenue for my eyeball traffic, because that covers all of…

That really puts it into perspective. If we each chipped in one penny per video we could replace advertisements for everyone. At least in terms of supporting the content creators.

How many videos do you watch per day? If you're anything like me, i at least skim through 100 videos a day. Likely more, depending on my free time and interest.

That's like 1-2 dollars worth of 'penny' donations per day. I'm not sure i would be willing to pay that, esp. if for videos that i'm only mildly interested in, and would not have gone to watch if it weren't free.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by rnd0 »

caeril wrote: post #161
Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

> What is the incentive for anyone to do this? What is the incentive for anyone to run a Tor/i2p/IPFS/Torrent seed node? This is difficult for normies to understand, but money isn't the only thing that incentivizes people to do things. There are many people for whom "Fuck YouTube" is the only incentive required to participate.

>What is the incentive for anyone to run a Tor/i2p/IPFS/Torrent seed node?

Work. Usually for a three letter agency of some sort -at least for the first two.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by LAC-Tech »

If my favourite youtubers started posting exclusively on peer tube I wouldn't mind at all. One has outright stated he suspects he'll be cancelled at some point, and already dual uploads. And I check his instance fairly regularly.

To break it down further - it's not much of a deal breaker to go to "coolvideoguy.com" instead of searching "cool video guy" in the youtube search bar.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by adwn »

gabereiser wrote: post #135
judge2020 wrote: post #134

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A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

Time is never free my friend. There’s always a cost model at play.

For most people, the time/money tradeoff isn't very flexible. Only few have the choice of working fewer hours for less money, while even fewer have the choice of working more hours for more money.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by jrm4 »

judge2020 wrote: post #134
tomxor wrote: post #112

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> That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. This is the answer to so much of what's wrong with the modern web. We need less business and to get more communities back into the center of the web... it should be even easier today since IaaS is so much cheaper, I think it's just a focus problem, nothing is relevant to the big sit…

A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

I absolutely fail to see how bittorrent et al can't solve this part?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by cbozeman »

chii wrote: post #185
serverholic wrote: post #125

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That really puts it into perspective. If we each chipped in one penny per video we could replace advertisements for everyone. At least in terms of supporting the content creators.

How many videos do you watch per day? If you're anything like me, i at least skim through 100 videos a day. Likely more, depending on my free time and interest. That's like 1-2 dollars worth of 'penny' donations per day. I'm not sure i would be willing to pay that, esp. if for videos that i'm only mildly interested in, and would not have gone to watch if it weren't free.

Most people probably don't skim through 100 videos per day.

I doubt I skim through even 10 video a day. I think people like myself are more likely the norm than the exception.

A common "digital fallacy" people make is assuming 'everyone' uses a site like they use it. Most people don't.

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