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Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by HexbearShill »

hanselot wrote: post #80
hu3 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference, some context about word filtering: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 And here's the related code: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/3b37ea6c8beeaa57754df... edit: I don't get the instant -2 downvotes for just providing context.

> https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 Wow, this was a fantastic thread. It very clearly and logically lays out how to kill software by injecting your ideology into it. RIP dessalines

All software is political. The act of releasing your work for free into the public domain is political. Disagree with his ideology, but anyone who thinks they are above ideology is just unaware of the assumptions they’re operating under.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by HexbearShill »

detaro wrote: post #19
nicbou wrote: post #16

My options are "Run a server" and "Join a server" This is not an alternative to reddit, where you would see a front page with content on it.

And if someone posted a link to a page about the reddit software (which isn't open-source anymore, but was for a long time), you'd also say "this isn't reddit", because the descriptive page doesn't show a front page, but you need to actually go to somewhere the software is installed to see it? That's two clicks!

Way two many clicks

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by zepto »

ddingus wrote: post #99
pugets wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to do this on a few different sites, but in my experience, there simply aren't enough good-faith actors. The dirtbag left[0] reigns over the nice fellows in leftist circles on Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. They don't want to engage capitalists in debate... they don't even want anyone in their own ranks playing devil's advocate. They want to call you a chud and take a screenshot of it. [0]: https://en.wikiped…

Secondly, it does not have to be leftists vs capitalists. There are parts of society well served by markets and other parts that really aren't. Same goes for applying socialist ideas to problems. Recognizing just that fact is a basis for conversation that can lead somewhere meaningful for all involved.

How do you get leftists to have a conversation on that basis?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by zepto »

kieselguhr_kid wrote: post #24
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

I mean, there is a large (by Lemmy standards) Leninist server, which is indeed pretty left. But the idea that Leninism is widely embraced by the contemporary American left is a bit hysterical.

Leninism may not be by but Maoism was explicitly adopted by parts of the radical left in the 70s, many of whom are still influential for the current generation.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by zepto »

alex_munroe wrote: post #13
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being rapidly downvoted but to play devil's advocate I wonder if you could explain why you think "American leftism" is "disturbing".

For the same reason all the orthodox authoritarian ideologies are disturbing. Why would I want to join an online discussion forum where free thought isn't welcome? Having "leftist" in the description makes people (at least myself) automatically jump to the conclusion that one can get cancelled/banned/deplatformed for posting any thought or argument that disagrees with the mainstream. I'm not a conservative or anti-va…

> as a person who grew up in a country ruined by "anti-capitalism"

Would you be willing to name this county?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by zepto »

smt88 wrote: post #26
fcklckdwns wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "American leftism" that promotes universal healthcare and reining in Wall Street is shared by a large chunk of the population of Western nations. The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space. Hope that clarifies it.

> The "American leftism" that promotes changing the genitals of 3-year-old children is completely alien to 99.99% of human experience throughout time and space. This is utter nonsense and fear-mongering. There is no organized movement promoting changing genitals of 3-year-olds.

Not 3 year olds perhaps, but there is definitely an organized movement to promote early gender affirmation surgery.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by zepto »

ggm wrote: post #21
darthrupert wrote: post #2

Lemmy's default instance leans heavily to the contemporary american idea of leftism. This doesn't affect the actual software in any way, only that community is a bit disturbing.

Society as a whole, consistently tends to be more left wing than people appreciate. If you survey people in private, they show both selfish and collectivist opinions. In public, in some economies, declaring the collectivist view is harder. Collectivism, is essentially "left wing". It's the sense there is some basic equity out there, nobody "deserves" more (or less) than the individual. (obviously this is modulated by…

The fact that humans are social is not relevant to whether a leftist political ideology should impose its preferred social structures by force.

Capitalism allows people to organize collectively too. Proponents would claim that it enables more freedom to do so than ‘leftism’.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by uabstraction »

Saptarishi wrote: post #78
jim-jim-jim wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practice I think mainstream liberals are the gleefully censorious ones, not leftists. In a sibling comment I called these guys losers, but you can't argue that they're not walking the walk by setting up their own platforms. The people in these alt communities have been kicked off Reddit for rightfully pointing out how astroturfed it is by advertisers, police, and military agencies, so I'm not sure if you'd find mu…

>Setting up your community with specific standards is totally fine imo In some sense I agree, but what happens when these communities begin to overflow with people, and chaos increases? It leads to opinion suppression( no I'm not talking about extreme opinions on any side of the political spectrum , I'm talking about opinions which differ from the status quo ), echo-chamber creation, and worst of all, unnecessary agg…

This criticism could just as easily apply to Reddit. The entire thing is an echochamber of American civic religion and they ban any subversive communities. Their director of content policy was plucked straight out of the Atlantic Council for f sake.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by uabstraction »

radicalriddler wrote: post #75

I would define myself as pretty progressive, but Reddit's been absolutely dog** due to all the anti-capitalist, populist rhetoric. Every post seems to be filled with comments these days of "eat the rich". Like, you'll have a gif of a dude petting a dog, and then in the comments, they'll be like, "Bro, you're financially oppressing this dog and that's why it's forced to be pet by you" (Hyperbole, but I've seen some cr…

Wait. You mean those "Heckin adorable Police Pupperino" threads that inevitably pop up on r/DogsWithJobs and r/Pics without fail every time the cops lynch another Black man?
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