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Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by wyager »

p1necone wrote: post #32
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Journalism is essential to Democracy! Trust us, we tell you the truth and you need us. ” -Journalists. Even George Washington had trouble with the press and lamented how often he was maligned and misrepresented in the papers. “He regarded the press as a disuniting, "diabolical" force of falsehoods, sentiments that he expressed in his Farewell Address.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington and the citation…

I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace (i.e. journalism).

People who get their world-model from established media are only “informed” in a very narrow literal sense.

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Post by wyager »

p1necone wrote: post #105
ur-whale wrote: post #68

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> I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace agree > (i.e. journalism). not the same thing.

This seems like a no true Scotsman kinda thing. I suspect people who want to "make journalism better" and people who want to "inform the populace with 'not journalism'" are probably talking about the same thing. (Not that I agree with this article, the "get CEOs to make people trust news" thing is bizarre)

“Making journalism better” implies some sort of smooth continuous transition to a new state, where (implicitly) the existing journalist class has not been liquidated and gets to keep their high-status credentialed writing jobs. This can’t really fix the core problem.

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Post by finfinfin »

pseudo0 wrote: post #138
zepto wrote: post #10

> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

> What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. Ironic timing considering how just earlier today we were discussing how Rolling Stone's story about gunshot victims being left waiting because of ivermectin overdoses was determined to be false. Talk about a perfect example of a credulously reported story that made it h…

The top comment in your referenced discussions confirms that the article was not fake.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

endominus wrote: post #162
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #139

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I read that (worth it sort of) and there are a few takeaways, but for me the big one is realising that the author seems to think that there is "an answer" out there, that "everyone else" knows it and that he (the author) ought to be told it upfront. And any indication that people change their minds, get things wrong or otherwise screw up is an indication that people are not just lying but hiding the truth. It took a…

That's not the impression that I got from the thread. Rather, the problem seems to be the aggression and utter certainty that the media assumes when it conveys it's narratives. There is no room for nuance or doubt, no impression of the other side except as racists or impressionable fools. The author's point isn't that the media shouldn't be allowed to change their minds, it's that the media should exhibit even a modi…

And two people take different views from the same source ... that's the problem in a nutshell :-)

But yes, I find certainty puts me off. Its the big axiom for every superhero movie out there. (IF we are certain that that guy there is a bad evil person about to do bad evil things then, hell, yes, Hulk can smash, or shoot him with an arrow / laser / Hammer). All good.

Any possibility that he is not evil ... or that he has a valid agenda. Well we are back in the real world again.

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

mikewarot wrote: post #144
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #104

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Do you have examples of these teams please?

Wow this list got long... sorry Beau of the Fifth Column has a pretty interesting take on events, a strong interest in community networks, and deep insight into what holds society together - https://www.youtube.com/c/BeauoftheFifthColumn Breaking Points - Krystal Ball is a liberal, Saagar Enjeti is a conservative, and together they seek to cover the important stories that would otherwise go unnoticed - https://www.yo…

wow. Thank you

Edit: Walking through a couple of these I would just pass them by had you not mentioned them. A fair few have that awful youtube, block caps, latest news headlines, must have someone's face etc etc.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by zepto »

ouid wrote: post #92

Ban advertising, which is paid lying, and then the trust problems that result from everyone being paid to lie and exclusively being paid to lie will go away.

The problem will get worse if you ban advertising. The money that went to advertising will just shift to “influencers”, which is even less authentic.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by wdr1 »

oroul wrote: post #35

> Reversing the decline is a monster task — and one that some journalists and news organizations have taken upon themselves. They're going to need help — perhaps from America's CEOs. Is this a bad joke? Distrust of media is largely brought about because it is (mostly) in the private sector and therefore always puts the sustainability of its business model above objective reporting. We've known for a while now that ne…

> Is this a bad joke? Distrust of media is largely brought about because it is (mostly) in the private sector

You think the 82% of Republicans who distrust the media is due to being in the private sector? And that they would trust it more if it was government run?

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

hansbo wrote: post #159
nostromo wrote: post #99

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> white and Black It was when the New York Times decided to start capitalizing black but not white I knew they were done being objective and had turned to activism. Their explanation that all black people worldwide share a common culture but all white people do not is just absurd. They’re not a serious news organization and haven’t been for some time.

Here is the article I believe the parent is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black... I think it was rather nuanced. Several reasons given: 1) The capitalization of Black has already been accepted by the mainstream - NYT is catching up with the times 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian. 3) African-American is cap…

> 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian.

What is the definition of "shared heritage" such that everyone but Whites have shared heritage?

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Post by zepto »

hansbo wrote: post #159
nostromo wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> white and Black It was when the New York Times decided to start capitalizing black but not white I knew they were done being objective and had turned to activism. Their explanation that all black people worldwide share a common culture but all white people do not is just absurd. They’re not a serious news organization and haven’t been for some time.

Here is the article I believe the parent is referring to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black... I think it was rather nuanced. Several reasons given: 1) The capitalization of Black has already been accepted by the mainstream - NYT is catching up with the times 2) Other names on American minorities with a shared heritage is already capitalized, like Latino and Asian. 3) African-American is cap…

The problem isn’t the capitalization of Black, which as you point out has good reason behind it - it is being used as a proper name for a group. The problem is that White is being used the same way and yet isn’t being capitalized.
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