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Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Of course Amazon is watching out for their business interest, but they are doing the morally right thing here. I do not smoke anything as a personal preference and do not enjoy when second-hand smoke and smell affects me but I support legalization for the simple reason that criminalization of marijuana and stigmatization of pot smokers is much much worse.

Except all Amazon has done was taken a group marginalized by the prison system (war on drugs) and is taking advantage of their position (drug testing vulnerable or felon status due to drug arrests) and putting them in a situation where they are at the absolute mercy of Amazon if anything were to happen. (Get T-boned by someone who ran a red light? We'll drug test you and fire you for cause even if you were sober at t…

>This is an extension of prison labor.

You lost me with that hyperbole. I fail to see how you can equate voluntarily working for a company earning at least minimum wage and other benefits, as "prison labor".

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#182

One large brown delivery company also rarely drug tests. Drivers of school buses, semi trucks, and similar have federally mandated drug testing, non-CDL delivery drivers don't. Particularly when liability is transferred to contractors, the surprising part is that this wasn't the encouraged policy from the start. Also, any shortage is entirely self inflicted from offering poor wages.

>Also, any shortage is entirely self inflicted from offering poor wages.

Yeah! All the millennials who can't buy a home are just self-inflected by not bidding high enough! Government policy certainly didn't' contribute to either!

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#183

>One solution is to raise their wages. But that can happen only if Amazon agrees to pay its delivery partners more for their services, which the company can be slow to do. It's not a labor shortage, it's just a correction in the price of labor

> Amazon delivery contractors are often outbid by school bus companies. Drivers who work for those can make more than $20 an hour and be home for dinner. Amazon contract drivers typically earn $17 an hour and often work late into the night to keep up with demand. I mean, sure, Amazon can raise their wages to compete, and then we run out of... school bus drivers? I'm not sure that's any better. At a point, you either…

School bus drivers are carting human lives around, not inanimate packages, so I guess it's good that they make more. It's a different job and the pay should reflect that.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#184

The money quote: Other delivery companies are continuing to screen applicants, concerned about the insurance and liability implications in the many states where weed use remains illegal. […] “If one of my drivers crashes and kills someone and tests positive for marijuana, that’s my problem, not Amazon’s,” said one Amazon is just looking out for Number One and to hell with their so-called “partners.” This isn’t anythi…

Especially with their new corporate slogan, "Puff hard and break things."

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#185
post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think cannabis is just a drug for having fun Where did I even allude to this? In fact I implied the exact opposite in my last sentence.

Cannabis does and will have medicinal uses. The laws and and the mindset about it are going to vastly change. Delta-8 and all the other numbers are already legal in illegal states.

I never argued the opposite of what you're saying. We agree, I'm not sure what we're debating.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#186

Of course Amazon is watching out for their business interest, but they are doing the morally right thing here. I do not smoke anything as a personal preference and do not enjoy when second-hand smoke and smell affects me but I support legalization for the simple reason that criminalization of marijuana and stigmatization of pot smokers is much much worse.

Except all Amazon has done was taken a group marginalized by the prison system (war on drugs) and is taking advantage of their position (drug testing vulnerable or felon status due to drug arrests) and putting them in a situation where they are at the absolute mercy of Amazon if anything were to happen. (Get T-boned by someone who ran a red light? We'll drug test you and fire you for cause even if you were sober at t…

This is an extension of prison labor.

Work in prisons is often not optional, and if it is the inmate may not earn "good behavior" time if they choose not to work. It also averages something like $0.60/hour across the country.

I don't think $17/hour & mandatory sobriety are anything close to prison labor, but I will grant you that it isn't consistent or fair to fire someone that tests positive for marijuana if they weren't high at the time of the accident. Is there a way to test if someone is currently high on weed vs. has simply had some recently?

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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post #118

Of course Amazon is watching out for their business interest, but they are doing the morally right thing here. I do not smoke anything as a personal preference and do not enjoy when second-hand smoke and smell affects me but I support legalization for the simple reason that criminalization of marijuana and stigmatization of pot smokers is much much worse.

Something I learned from a pot smoker: they sometimes mix it with other drugs for higher effects.

Correct... but not really relevant especially if Amazon is still screening for other drugs.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#188
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. But some part of that propaganda is from pot smokers themselves. Some enjoy the image of the laid-back happy carefree pothead. Their cult leaders (used to be) Cheech and Chong. Maybe they've just bought in to someone elses' worldview. But I don't think so.

There are a lot more people that do or have smoked pot, than those who base their identity on it. The cults were always a minority. It's like the difference between a commuter on bike here in the Netherlands (more than 30% of all trips) vs the handful of cyclists in spandex with some fragile unsafe bike wanking about how light their bike is. One is a cult, where it becomes part of someone's identity, one is just pers…

I really like this: "we should [develop] the discipline to realize that the people carrying the flag of anything are the least likely to be the true representatives of the thing."

What other examples are there? Am I one of these people in ways I don't even realize?

I would love to be eating a meal with someone who says this, and then have a really fantastic conversation spring from it: Does this help me feel out my own blind-spots better? Is this always bad? Is this always true?

Great statement, well articulated. Thanks!

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#189

One underappreciated aspect of this. They will ignore marijuana at time of hire. But they will absolutely test you if there is ever an accident or if you are injured at work (even if you just strain your back picking up a heavy object) before you see an occupational health doctor. If you come back positive in the course of injury, they won't cover your workers compensation bills. They'll fire you (for being intoxicat…

Is that not a different kind of test, for current presence rather than past use?

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

#190
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I learned from a pot smoker: they sometimes mix it with other drugs for higher effects.

Correct... but not really relevant especially if Amazon is still screening for other drugs.

Anecdotally, I have never met nor heard of anyone mixing anything with weed except for tobacco, sometimes.

So how is this "correct"?

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