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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by monkeywork »

ethbr0 wrote: post #51
mrtksn wrote: post #40

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It's going to be a hell for the users and the smaller developers. Devs will have to support multiple platforms, different API and options. Also different legal arrangements would be needed as each country has different laws and processes. Remember the agreements and forms we fill for different countries when we want to sell paid apps/features on App Store? I also can't wait to pay account fees for many app stores and…

Developers (and users) deserve choice . If you want to pay 30% to Apple to take care of that for you, then you should be able to. If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too. I've lived through both fragmented platforms and unified platforms, and I'll take the former any day. They're messy, but fair and dynamic. And critically, they evolve and allow new competition to emerge…

>If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too.

They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform.

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Post by jaywalk »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #152
hyperionplays wrote: post #147

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This. Google has amazingly helpful peering bilats with most major ISP's globally, they don't have to pay for transit nearly as much as the rest of us. they were a staunch defender of net neutrality because it let them avoid millions of $$ in transit.

Why do Gooogle’s peers charge Google less money?

Peering is free by definition.

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Post by mrtksn »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #173
mrtksn wrote: post #61

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Sure, You can't have platform fragmentation costs if you don't support platforms. You only support them if you want to reach the customers. That's exactly the same as not supporting Android or iOS or not getting into App Development in first place.

So, for example, if the bulk of the customers in Korea might be using Samsung Pay, you might just want to keep integrating with that instead of also having to provide Apple mechanisms, and maybe restructure your price since Apple imposes its tax?

Sure, I can do that. Let's take a look at it:

1) I need to learn and integrate Samsung's API or I need to hire someone to do that for me. I need to maintain a version of the app that works the way Samsung thinks it should(how do you deliver and restore purchases might differ from Apple).

2) Then I need to go through paperwork and payments that will enable me to sell Korea software from UK. I haven't look at the trade agreements between UK and Korea, I guess the easiest way is to pay a specialist that knows it.

That's something that I would rather don't go through. Probably it's not possible unless I make significant money from it anyway.

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Post by keithnz »

mrtksn wrote: post #132
Vespasian wrote: post #127

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Companies want to reach the users of the devices. Apple and Google effectively prevent you from doing that without being in their stores. The fact that "technically" you can install apps on android and "technically" users can get an apple dev certificate / or sometimes jailbreak their device are nothing more than a single atom layer thick fig leaf. These two companies effectively have a duopoly on the mobile phone ma…

No body is preventing me from doing anything, please stop speaking for me. Please read carefully: I do have Apps in the AppStore, I am happy with the business relationship with Apple and I am not looking forward to be forced into establishing new business relationships to reach the exact same user base.

I'm not sure how you think you will have to do anything different or be forced into something? your app can stay the same, has the same presence. But, under this law, you could choose to have micro transactions or subscriptions where , if you choose to, you could use stripe, or some other payment provider where you pay a much lower fee, if you choose to.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

criley2 wrote: post #133
lotsofpulp wrote: post #79

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What is stopping the governments from changing the laws to make it illegal? I do not understand the concept of expecting an entity to pay taxes they are not liable for paying.

The issue is that the governments offering tax evasion to corporations are smaller countries that use their evasion schemes as a competitive advantage against larger countries. The incentive for a big country like the US is to make these companies pay their domestically accrued taxes, but the incentive for a small country like Ireland is to attract these companies to come open offices and do business locally at all.…

> Thus to the US company, they paid 100% of their revenue as the cost of doing business and have 0 tax.

Why is the country that wants taxes not able to change their rules to collect something similar to an excise tax?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by mrtksn »

commoner wrote: post #177
mrtksn wrote: post #170

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My revenue wouldn't necessarily increase(unless maybe price reduction drives the sales enough), my costs due to Apple's commission will decrees and my development and legal costs will increase.

Just to be clear, by "revenue", I'm referring to revenue after Apple's or the payment processor's cut.

My landlord doesn't care. From his perspective, all that matters is that if I make enough money to pay the rent. He is not interested if my revenue after Apple's cut has increased.

If my net income decreases(because my costs increase more that the revenue after Apple's cut increase), I am screwed.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by jollybean »

Good ruling, however, I think it's fair that if the app is listed in a store, they can require that in-app payments are via the store. For downloads from other sources, this doesn't have to be a requirement. I don't think G&A should be obligated to showcase products for which they don't receive the revenue as vendors would simply shift the payment inside the app.

A bigger ruling would be to require Apple to allow downloads from other sources, a feature which exists on Android. I don't think the security argument really holds, moreover, people should be able to have the choice.

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Post by oblio »

svdr wrote: post #161
stirlo wrote: post #73

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I think we can all agree that transfer pricing and the Double Irish Dutch sandwich were not intended to be used in the way they have been by modern multinationals.

This seems to have ended: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57368247

Want to bet that the end of this included a hidden grace period to allow large corporations using them to:

A) find another similar system

B) put their internal bureaucracies at work to switch the entire corporation to the new system?

It's like stock market news, by the time it's in the newspaper it's much too late, all the insiders have finished their trades and you're the chump buying overpriced stuff.

We'll probably find out the 2021 latest scheme in 2031, when it gets banned.

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