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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

The discussion here is really distracting. Came to read thoughts about Joe Rogan, and now it's just people arguing about COVID-19.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#182
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

> should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Yes that's anti-vax. We get vaccinated not just to protect ourselves from death, but also to protect those around us by reducing the transmission of disease.

Acknowledging that vaccines have some risk & at a certain risk reward trade-off you would not take the vaccine is not anti-vax.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Spotify is just not set up for long-form video content. The discovery aspect of YouTube is one reason why it reels you in. You're scrolling through your feed, you see an interesting clip, and you click on it. Another big part of YouTube is the comment section. Spotify lacks on both fronts. I also think the JRE clips were a big part of what sucked people into watch full epsiodes. If a 5-7 minute JRE clip were interest…

This. The flexibility to search for a video coupled with YT's spontaneous recommendations is something unique to YouTube. So many times I have seen a clip about PBS Newshour episode on YT and then end up watching whole Newshour episode or most of it. Having all videos on varied lengths in same platform makes it easy to consume based on the time available.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#184
post #74

8m not sure how his podcasts were distributed previously, but I would have thought a more multiplatform approach would work better long term. A lot of people don't have Spotify, I'm one of those, for the same price as Spotify I can get YouTube premium for me and the extended family, kill all ads, allow downloads and access to a decent music streaming catalog. Last time I checked the prices were not to dissimilar.

I think he was promised $100m for the Spotify exclusivity. No multiplatform works better than $100m ;)

I think it was more than 100MM, he was making ~30MM per year on his own, and he signed a 3 year deal with Spotify. Im not sure why you'd sell for the exact amount you'd make if you just kept doing what you are doing with the exception of having to handle all advertising yourself and possible delisting/banning from YouTube.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#185
post #146
post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

I don't think accusations of spewing anti-vax and anti-mask drivel have anything to do with his interviewing skills. They're certainly not mutually exclusive. The parent commenter didn't make any accusations about his interviewing skills.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#186
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley

Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?

>Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist

I think Milo is a scumbag, personally, but where did he self-proclaim that he's a white supremacist?

>Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist

No, he didn't. His lawyer attempted to argue that he was during a lawsuit, as a defense against full culpability for his actions. Lawyers (understandably) try to pull out everything they can to help their client. There's no evidence Jones himself has ever said this or thinks this.

Although most of his non-watchers seem to think he's just a con artist, after watching a cumulative dozens of hours of him on camera over the years, I'm convinced it's not an act and that he genuinely believes pretty much everything he's saying (except for cases where he's attempting to do a comedy bit). Unfortunately, a lot of people in the US believe all of the things he believes - and not necessarily because they're hearing it from him. They all drink from the same watering holes. In my opinion, this is why it's actually a lot more frightening than con artistry or performance art.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#187
post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

I like his choice of guests (high percentage of scientists and interesting people, even if some of them are conspiracy theorists) and that he mostly lets people talk. But I lost a lot of respect for him after his recent MMA commentary. I've never seen such biased commentary in any sport as his in Adesanya vs Blachowicz. It was absurd.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#188
Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0]

That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell.

[0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#189
post #153
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

#190
post #76
post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

Of course that's anti-vax.

The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others. It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.

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