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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by peteradio »

josephorjoe wrote: post #71
bluGill wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm expecting most fortune 500 companies will now mandate all employees be vaccinated, along with most colleges.

Yes, i would expect a lot of announcements this week. Looks like NYC Public Schools are going to mandate all staff be vaccinated ( https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/23/nyregion/nyc-schools-empl... ). I would expect most hospitals/health care organizations to pretty quickly mandate it as well. There is very little incentive for a large organization to take on the added costs of allowing a large percent of their staff/me…

I work from home in the middle of nowhere and I've had the real deal. It might seem small to someone who already has made their decision but its certainly some small injustice to have people vaccinated against their will for no apparently good reason. Now, consider how I feel about my children.

Maybe you are not talking about "me" but I guess I couldn't tell from your comment.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by rrock »

giantg2 wrote: post #72
ceejayoz wrote: post #46

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The US has the J&J vaccine for that.

It's a similar mechanism, right? You're just using a virus to carry the genetic material, which also involves an extra transcription step in the cell (what is theorized as causing mutations in the spike and thus the stroke/clotting issues). Still quite different from the traditional inactive or protein based ones.

Transcription causes mutations in the spike that causes clotting issues? Do you have any idea how much transcription happens in your cells, every moment of every day? You need to reconsider where you’re getting your information.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by thehappypm »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #40
eganist wrote: post #2

My biggest concern now is around seeing those who hedged their willingness to get the vaccine on its approval instead find a new reason not to get it. So with that in mind, I'm much more keen on seeing how employers will decide on vaccination mandates now that at least one vaccine is fully approved. Any news yet on whether any more employers are likely implementing mandates (if they haven't already this morning) base…

Concern? Why? The virus is under control in countries where the vaccine rollout has been swift. Why do you sound so keen to force something on people that they don't want, regardless of their reasons? Shouldn't people have the right to choose what they take? If people can lose their jobs over it then clearly they don't have that right - that's a form of coercion/blackmail. I think the focus on a small minority of peo…

Because getting COVID becomes a problem for every person you come in contact with! Getting vaccinated protects you first, but also stops you from personally handing a disease to everyone you're in contact with. The people around you shouldn't be punished because you like Fox News.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by geofft »

peakaboo wrote: post #94
cbg0 wrote: post #13

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More likely than not, they'll just move the goalposts farther and find a different excuse for not getting it.

Even if true, so what? It's their bodies. They should be allowed to choose, just like you are.

The comment above is asking "how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination."

You're welcome to choose not to get vaccinated, and not to go to any such employers, colleges, etc.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by ldehaan »

acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

It'll be so easy to walk away from a company if they tried to force me to do Anything. But i make tons of money off all this fearmongering, it's great. I can't wait until you have to take a 4th shot, money all the way to the bank. I caught covid for a day, still showing the strongest markers, i never noticed it, all I did was take vitamins and exercise, good friend got the vaccine, still can't walk, sick as a dog.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by menduza23 »

Often people use the argument that this vaccine was really rushed and there could potentially be side effects to such a rushed vaccine.

There is one example of this actually happening. Have a look at what happened with the pandermix vaccine:

narcolepsy.org.uk/blog/important-ruling-pandemrix-case

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/20/swine-flu-vacc...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by auslegung »

sharken wrote: post #154
version_five wrote: post #83

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> I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. No doubt this will be the case for some. So, you've found a logical flaw in people's stated reasons for not wanting a vaccine. How does that help anything? In these kinds of debates, the actual goals or beliefs of both sides often differ from what they say. For example, the government being able…

These cheap shots or trench war between both sides does nobody any good, it divides people instead of unite them. For me the major issue with the vaccine is the extremely fast track from inventing it to getting it out the door. An FDA approval will not change my mind on the safety of the vaccine, only time can do that. By that i mean that we need more time to assess the long-term effects, something that many pro-vacc…

I wonder would you have felt the same way when the chickenpox vaccine, or MMR vaccines, or any of the other common vaccines we get today, were new.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by giantg2 »

bart_spoon wrote: post #62
giantg2 wrote: post #19

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Or continue an existing reason: "Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

Which still wouldn't be a logical argument, given that the same applies regarding long-term health outcomes regarding getting sick with Covid. But I suspect you are right.

I think that depends on the theories that one has. Either choice would be based on missing or incomplete data.

For example, one could question the potential for autoimmune conditions due to the way the mRNA vaccine works and how the immune system typically targets multiple proteins on the cell. There's no data or studies our there about this longterm possibility or even the incidence of autoimmune antibodies produced by vaccination. This likely isn't a problem for the elderly since it can take years or decades to present/progress, and their value proposition is different than for younger people. It starts to get more questionable as the value proposition changes dramatically in the youngest age groups. The question of vaccinating one's child for covid is certainly a topic with a diverse set of opinions and very little data to perform a thorough longterm cost/benefit analysis.

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Post by Markoff »

bastardoperator wrote: post #130
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concern? Why? The virus is under control in countries where the vaccine rollout has been swift. Why do you sound so keen to force something on people that they don't want, regardless of their reasons? Shouldn't people have the right to choose what they take? If people can lose their jobs over it then clearly they don't have that right - that's a form of coercion/blackmail. I think the focus on a small minority of peo…

It's socially irresponsible and the impact to others is possible death. I wouldn't have a problem if these people weren't spreading death to others, but instead, they choose to force themselves on the rest of us because "freedom". The same people that don't understand vaccines are also likely to think masks don't work, so they take zero precautions when it comes to their safety and others. The focus is just, these fo…

being obese is socially irresponsible in these times, yet I don't see obese people banned from buying junk food and going to eat junk food in restaurants

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by walls »

peakaboo wrote: post #86
acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I think you are right. People won't change their minds about it. But the question is, should they be allowed to control what goes inside their bodies? In my opinion, the answer is a huge YES OF COURSE.

Sure, and every institution should also be allowed to keep them out based on that decision.
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