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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#182Mostly unrelated, but I'm still amazed that if you bought Intel at the height of the Dot-com bubble and held on, you still wouldn't have broken even, even ignoring inflation.
Including dividend reinvestment?
Not including. But you make a good point, dividend reinvestment may have taken the edge off since the bubble.
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intel sells expensive CPUs which are becoming useless thanks to ARM - as much in consumer devices as they are in datacenters, with big players designing their own ARM chips. GPUs are their lifeboat. Three GPU players is better than two, but I don't see much of a reason to be long Intel.
You’re overestimating the role of the architecture. X86 is just fine, and is perfectly competitive at comparable node generations. Don’t believe everything Apple tells you. ;)
I don't believe much of anythign Apple tells me. The x86 is fine, but any reasons to prefer it to other architectures are disappearing fast. As someone who's suffered (literally suffered) due to Intel's abysmal and execrable graphics performance in the past, I don't expect that they'll exactly blow out this market.
One of the biggest reasons I want a real next-gen ARM-based Surface Pro is that I want to put Intel in the rearview mirror forever. I didn't hate Intel until I started buying Surfaces, then I realized that everything that sucks about the Surface family is 100% Intel's fault, from beyond-buggy faulty power management (cutting advertised battery life more than in half) to buggy and broken graphics ("Intel droppings" or redraw artifacts on the screen) to "integrated" graphics performance that just simply sucks so bad it's unusable for simple 3D CAD, much less gaming.
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#184As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…
Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…
There are also more reasons to buy nvidia gpus just than their speed they have great driver support, features like RTX Voice which cleans up the audio and other proprietary features like DLSS. Though I would argue that desktop gaming is becoming a thing of the past because mobile gaming is that much more powerful and easier to use and setup.
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#1853DFX is joining the party soon ... Matrox, you're up next
You laugh but look at the current prices for a Voodoo on eBay
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lot of downvotes. Anyone have any opinion? Is CUDA fine forever? Is there something other than Vulkan we should also try? Do you think AMD should solve every problem CUDA solves for their customers too? What gives here? I see a lot a lot a lot of resistance to the idea that we should start trying to align to Vulkan. Here & elsewhere. I don't get it, it makes no sense, & everyone else using GPU's is running fast as th…
> Do you think AMD should solve every problem CUDA solves for their customers too? They had no choice. Getting a bunch of HPC people to completely rewrite their code for a different API is a tough pill to swallow when you're trying to win supercomputer contracts. Would they have preferred to spend development resources elsewhere? Probably, they've even got their own standards and SDKs from days past. > everyone else…
The paradox I identify in your comments is the start & where you end. The start is that AMD's only choice is to re-embark & re-do the years & years of hard work, to catch up.
The end is decrying how impossible & hard it is to imagine anyone ever reproducing anything like CUDA in Vulkan:
> Sure these are all feasible, but who has the incentive to put in the time to do it?
To talk to the first though: what choice do we have? Why would AMD try to compete by doing it all again as a second party? It seems like, with Nvidia so dominant, AMD and literally everyone else should realize their incentive is to compete, as a group, against the current unquestioned champion. There needs to be some common ground that the humble opposition can work from. And, from what I see, Vulkan is that ground, and nothing else is remotely competitive or interesting.
I really appreciate your challenges, thank you for writing them out. It is real hard, there are a lot of difficulties starting afresh, with a much harder to use toolkit than enriched spiced up C++ (CUDA) as a starting point. At the same time, I continue to think there will be a sea-change, it will happen enormously fast, & it will take far less real work than the prevailing pessimist's view could ever have begin to encompassed. Some good strategic wins to set the stage & make some common use cases viable, good enough technics to set a mold, and I think the participatory nature will snowball, quickly, and we'll wonder why we hadn't begun years ago.
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#187As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…
Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…
Here on the elite tech news webite, we were celebrating clipboard and screenshot tools just three months back and you dream about the year on desktop.
I've said it before and I've said it again, the biggest problem with linux and oss are the fanatics and deluded dreamers.
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
It took 20 years to reach 1%, so... I believed in it back in the Loki golden days, nowadays I rather bet on macOS, Windows, mobile OSes and game consoles. It remains to be seen how the Steam fairs versus the Steam Machines of yore.
Don't let history blind you to the now ;) It's way better now than it was back then. There was a long period of good ports, which combined with the Steam for Linux client made Linux gaming a real thing already. But instead of fizzling out like the last time there were ports, now Linux transitioned to "Run every game" without needing a port. Some exceptions, but they are working on it and compatibility is huge. This w…
Just like everyone would migrate to GNU/Linux because of DirectX 10 being Vista only, or OpenGL being replaced by Metal?
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do you think AMD should solve every problem CUDA solves for their customers too? They had no choice. Getting a bunch of HPC people to completely rewrite their code for a different API is a tough pill to swallow when you're trying to win supercomputer contracts. Would they have preferred to spend development resources elsewhere? Probably, they've even got their own standards and SDKs from days past. > everyone else…
The paradox I identify in your comments is the start & where you end. The start is that AMD's only choice is to re-embark & re-do the years & years of hard work, to catch up. The end is decrying how impossible & hard it is to imagine anyone ever reproducing anything like CUDA in Vulkan: > Sure these are all feasible, but who has the incentive to put in the time to do it? To talk to the first though: what choice do we…
Saying all the underdog competitors should team up is a nice idea, but as anyone who has seen how the standards sausage is made (or, indeed, has tried something similar) will tell you, it is often more difficult than everyone going their own way. It might be unintuitive, but coordination is hard even when you're not jockeying for position with your collaborators. This is why I mentioned the silver bullet part: a surface level analysis leads one to believe collaboration is the optimal path, but that starts to show cracks real quickly once one starts actually digging into the details.
To end things on a somewhat brighter note, there will be no sea change unless people put in the time and effort to get stuff like Vulkan compute working. As-is, most ML people (somewhat rightfully) expect accelerator support to be handed to them on a silver platter. That's fine, but I'd argue by doing so we lose the right to complain about big libraries and hardware vendors doing what's best for their own interests instead of for the ecosystem as a whole.
Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
… Nvidia did release lower end cards that target the same market and price point as the 6600 XT a lot earlier than AMD though - as far as MSRP goes the 3060 and 3060 Ti bracket the 6600 XT’s $380 at $329 and $399 (not that MSRP means a thing right now) and similarly brackets performance, and even the MSRP was not received well in conjunction with the 1080p marketing. Both manufacturers have basically told the mid and…
I've happily taken their advice and have moved to an Xbox Series S for a good 80% of my gaming needs. What gaming I still do on my PC consists mainly of older games, emulators and strategy games. Although I've been messing with Retroarch/Duckstation on my Xbox, and it's been quite novel and fun to be playing PS1 games on a Microsoft console.
Same here, I was looking to buy a GPU and for half the cost of a decent one (current market prices) I instead bought an Xbox Series X and a gamepass subscription. My gaming needs have been covered since February and gamepass keeps delivering while gpu prices are still too high for a no very serious gamer like myself.