Live data from Hacker News

1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

1password.community

181–190 of 685 posts

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VS Code would like a word with you.

Yeah, and there are dozens of us -- DOZENS! -- who continue to happily use SublimeText because VS Code feels so sluggish in comparison.

And that’s a completely valid choice to make! Some people use vim and emacs because they find Sublime too sluggish.

But that doesn’t make VS Code “shit”. It’s pretty much the shining star of Electron done right.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#182

Anyone have good/bad experience moving from 1Password to Apple' iCloud Keychain? I've recently been using keychain for new accounts, but not sure I wanna bite the bullet and go all in - just need a nudge.

My daily drivers are a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, but I'd go with a 3rd party password manager every time for the ability to access passwords on a non-Apple device if I want.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#183

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

> Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

The costs of developing and maintaining software are recurring -- especially for security-critical software. Subscription business models align incentives towards ongoing maintenance.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

The hatred comes from their proliferation. With what seems like damn near everything moving to a subscription model, it's more money out of my pocket for usually what amounts to rent-seeking (i.e, demanding more money, more often, whilst providing no additional value). That last bit I don't believe applies to 1Password, because there are certain things you can't do without some kind of centralization, and the article…

> what exactly does moving from a purchase to a subscription benefit me?

Trust that the company which provides something you need is far more likely to continue to be around. Suppose you tell your employer that you're taking a 1-week vacation. How does it benefit them for you to do that?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#185
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't recommend Apple's keychain. It's smart enough to track usernames and passwords and feels very satisfying to use on an iPhone, but doesn't capture some other parts of authentication. This includes security questions, OTP, capturing notes around how sign-ins can be weird (HSAs and other portals rife with redirects), and non-iOS devices (as well as non-safari browsers). Bitwarden is fantastic. I pay for the OTP…

I use Apple keychain in conjunction with KeePassX. Apple keychain for the convenience, but KeePassX is the master storage.

I was thinking of doing this but how do you keep Apple keychain and KeePass in sync? Or do you manually update both?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#186

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I agree, I switched about a year or two ago to subscription and I'm quite happy with it. There are some apps/platforms that I believe /should/ be subscriptions and my password manager is absolutely one of those. 1Password has continually added new/better features year after year and the price is tiny compared to the value I get (and then subsequently provide to people in my 'family'). The UI is the best I've seen in a password manager and while design doesn't necessarily affect the ability for a PW manager to do it's core job, I prefer looking at pretty apps. Almost every time I use 1Password I leave with a smile/good-feeling.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#187

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

Many applications choosing to use eletron instead of building native apps is the hallmark of failure of platform developers.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#188
post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

Bitwarden and KeePass here, bitwarden is very good. I do not use browser plug-ins so both are kind of the same but bitwarden just wins on the little things.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#189

I've stuck with 1Password for a long time, because it will work on the occasional Windows machine I need to use. However, it doesn't integrate as well as Apple's native key manager. I've been on the fence about just giving it all to Apple, but it's, like, the one thing out of literally DOZENS of services that I use that Apple does NOT control, and it's kind of important. So I'm really conflicted about the whole thing…

Considering the same but keychain always feels kind of like it’s forgotten about with one person in a dusty basement at apple working on it. Importing is weird and convoluted and requires some third-party scripts. I don’t get why they don’t just leverage their unfair position and access to private apis to make a really polished first party password manager.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#190
post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I come at it from a slightly different angle. I got in when it was syncing via Dropbox and iCloud, and it worked perfectly fine. The switch to a subscription service is a forced downgrade for me; it's putting functionality I already have behind a subscription. This is particularly an issue since the old versions (versions I paid for, mind you) are slowly going away (typically as a recompilation and submission is requ…

I'm somewhere in between. I also paid for a non subscription version and I also feel like I was forced to upgrade to the subscription. Sadly switching password managers, especially if you share with a family, is really painful. We now pay the subscription, a tad begrudgingly, but I have to admit 1Password overall does a great job.

Bitwarden can 1-click import 1Password vaults.
Post reply on HN