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The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A drunk ex-pat walks into a bar. He is a navyseal, with three tours of combat and also the CEO of a public traded company.

Hrhr. I actually know a legit one who fits the description. But that is exactly one :)

With all that experience, you need only one.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Out of curiosity: is posting internal company communications (referring to the e-mail here) on a public site like this legal? I'm not saying that it isn't; I genuinely don't know.

In Finland it's legal to publish private correspondence, as long as at least one party gives permission (e.g. the party who receives email).

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the past few years IT salaries in continental Europe have increased significantly and, adjusted for the cost of life, German salaries are significantly higher. French and Spanish are almost on par. If you make less than 40K£ in London, you are likely to experience a form of poverty that is unseen in the continent (pests in your flat, revenge evictions, very very bad healthcare, etc…). Outside of London, salaries a…

When you say ”very very bad healthcare”, are you referring to the NHS?

Yes, the NHS is weirdly worshipped in the UK, but is much worse than the Italian or the German healthcare systems (to name the 2 I experienced personally). The emergency service is good, but prevention is borderline non-existent and getting referrals to see specialists may be challenging.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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I can totally relate to this, especially the hacked Magento build part and "you won't leave until it's done". Good lord, that was my life for so long.

I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of junior devs and I'm envious of their jobs. It was a lot wilder and messier when I started but I now see juniors in more developed, mature roles than me. I can't help but be envious.

The real trick is to not get burn out and lose your love for the industry.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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My first paid developer job was writing backend code for what I would later learn was the Canadian mafia. I was doing some backend and embedded work to build super shitty gambling kiosks for them. They already had some person "managing" project and the Indian contract house that was building flash games for the kiosk. He was useless, so I was stuck figuring everything out. Including getting things running on a then o…

There’s a Canadian mafia?

They will sorry you to death, if you don't comply.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #53

I have an anecdote which I entitled "The Man Without Pants". It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn't even the weirdest thing about that place.

It all happened in August 2011. I was still in college and was searching for a summer job in IT.

I responded to a job listing and was invited to an interview with a small company located at the other side of the city. I suited up and took the bus there.

The company was indeed small - their office was the size of an apartment. That couldn't be said about the owner though(named D. in this story), who happened to be at the door when I arrived - I would later learn that he used to be a bodybuilder (important detail).

Our exchange went as follows:

- Is this Company X?

- Yeah. You for the interview?

- Yes.

- Zajebiście (translates to "awesome", but is also an expletive).

The interview went well, because there were really no technical questions. Actually, it went so well that he told me I could start right away, so I did.

Thus began my work experience in that place. Every morning when I arrived D. would call me to his office and talk to me for at least an hour. Our little chit-chat was usually broken up by his CEO/girlfriend/cleaning lady, who would rush me back to work and scold D. for wasting my time. I would then return and ask my supervisor - M. what's the plan for that day. M. spent an average 11h every day in the office and was de facto running the place. I wanted to make a good impression, so I started spending 10h there.

My duties included writing web scrapers and so-called "ant sites" (loose translation) - small pages with links to the site our customer was paying us to have higher in Google's search results.

During those morning meetings D. would pitch me his ideas or show something that he thought was cool. Examples:

- An episode of Metal Motivation with the music from Chariots of Fire and some other song played simultaneously to a CGI clip of a meteor hitting Earth. D. trailed off before explaining the reason for showing me this.

- A "3D" gif of the hourglass nebula - he said that this is going to be a hit and that he talked about this with Brian May (the musician/astrophysicist).

- "know your date of death" - a premium SMS campaign in the form of a quiz that he coordinated. I remembered that one from a year before - disregarded it as spa.. Turns out that he sold the aggregated results from those quizzes to insurance companies, who could then plan their pricing strategy based on that. The questions were pretty personal, but that was before GDPR, so yeah.

- This one got him really exited: he sat me down on a leather-clad chair, gave me a pair of stereoscopic paper glasses and showed... 3D porn.

At that moment I started asking myself what kind of mental institution I landed in, but the CEO/girlfriend/cleaning lady interrupted us, ordered me to go back to work and asked D. "does this sculpture need to be here?" - she meant the tower PC chassis next to the door that looked as if someone gave it a few healthy whacks with a baseball bat.

I would later learn that D. slept an average of 4h a day and at times was aggressive.

But the weirdest was yet to come: you see while D. spent most of the day in his office, in the afternoons he liked to have a stroll around the place and stand look over peoples' shoulders.

One such time I was minding my own business when I registered his presence, bit something was off. I turned in my chair towards D. and noted that he is not wearing pants - just a shirt and briefs. More importantly my face at an unfortunate height.

He noticed my confusion and explained that since he used to be a bodybuilder, his legs are fairly thick, so he's uncomfortable in pants. I chose to accept this new reality.

Later on it proved to be more of a thing than I originally thought. We tried to hire a secretary. I've seen four of them and the the one who lasted the longest (a week) reportedly had this conversation during the interview:

- By the way, are you fine with me walking around the office without pants?

- Oh, it's no problem - I have four brothers so I'm used to this.

The CEO/girlfriend/cleaning lady did not enjoy this development and made sure that girl quit ASAP.

Our relationship started to sour when, after returning from a few days off which I took, I learned that I would be paid minimum wage. I wanted to reach D. about this but he was busy smoking weed and drinking vodka with his clients/friends/businesses partners. I quit on the spot and that was the end of it.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #134
post #53

I have an anecdote which I entitled "The Man Without Pants". It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn't even the weirdest thing about that place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q7Cy3qSwKI&ab_channel=MattH...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066511

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #53

I have an anecdote which I entitled "The Man Without Pants". It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn't even the weirdest thing about that place.

Are you really gonna leave us like that?

Took me a while and some details are missing, but here it is:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066511

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #53

I have an anecdote which I entitled "The Man Without Pants". It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn't even the weirdest thing about that place.

UK pants or US pants?

US, fortunately.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066511

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #53

I have an anecdote which I entitled "The Man Without Pants". It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn't even the weirdest thing about that place.

Please write a post about it. Sounds hilarious!

It was much longer back when I the memory of it was fresh, but here it is:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066511

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