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Is this situation specific to the US? Has anyone experiences in other countries?

New Zealand, with our borders closed my company has had multiple job ads open for intermediate/senior developers for over a year.

Every candidate we do interview, generally also has multiple other job offers.

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My experience is that this is an ongoing problem. For years there have been relatively few junior positions. No company wants to train people.

You need senior engineers in order to scale training people, so it's a catch-22.

It's only a catch-22 if you don't have the senior people. At least in my experience, companies have 80%+ senior and midlevel developers. The issue is that companies want to be cheap by letting other companies do the training and then taking them.

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Nice list. Check if asking about salary history is banned. It is in 21 states. https://www.hrdive.com/news/salary-history-ban-states-list/5...

Some of these bans only affect state agencies, the city, or special cases.

Even if a company asks, you can say no. I’ve never revealed this info and never will. You are giving them a free negotiating card. It doesn’t serve your interests at all.

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Not my experience at all. For context, I'm a L6 at FB right now and have more than a decade of experience. I've never seen tech interviews become as stupid as they are now. In the last 3 months I've applied to a few places, including one where I literally built from scratch what the hiring team wanted to do (and got promoted for it at FB), and I've never seen the difficulty of the programming rounds so high as now. I…

The programming interviews are getting ridiculous. It is really an immense pain to go through an interview for a senior developer role nowadays, and it is super arbitrary. I did like 5 at the end of last year and I was just sooo tired. Got mixed results as well even when I felt like I understood the problem better than some interviewers. On the other hand, I got two companies that gave me take home assignments which both took me an entire day to complete, but it was fun as hell at least!

BTW I also did a developer interview at FB to transition role (after writing code for two years at FB) and failed. It’s just really random.

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I hate that the market is so great right now because I really can’t take advantage of it. I would love to start the process, to try and get a salary increase anywhere from 30%-100% but unfortunately I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise. Don’t qualify for the jobs I see I think I’d enjoy, and don’t even qualify for the jobs that meet my salary preferences that I’d otherwise dislike. I also would have to be looking at im…

> I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise I felt the same way over the past few years and decided to switch to a Technical Product Owner role at the beginning of this year. I used to be your typical HN user who was extremely passionate about programming, learning new frameworks, functional programming, etc, but at some point over my 10 year career I kinda stopped caring about tech entirely. Switching to a product owner ro…

Could you talk more about how you made this pivot? Was the transition to product owner a step down initially?

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I'm really not sure should I be looking now, in the Fall or early next year? It feels like salaries will go up from here so is better to wait, but I guess you can switch again.

Why not look now and just set your threshold for “I’m excited by this new place” slightly higher than normal?

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post #115

Not my experience at all. For context, I'm a L6 at FB right now and have more than a decade of experience. I've never seen tech interviews become as stupid as they are now. In the last 3 months I've applied to a few places, including one where I literally built from scratch what the hiring team wanted to do (and got promoted for it at FB), and I've never seen the difficulty of the programming rounds so high as now. I…

Im curious to hear what types of companies an L6 / E6 at FB is applying to. Without mentioning company names, what types of opportunities are out there that convince you to leave this type of comp [1]

[1] https://www.levels.fyi/company/Facebook/salaries/Software-En...

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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> I’ve stagnated sharply skills wise I'm sorry, but what does this even mean? Nothing has changed in a significant way since 1996, other than ops per second and memory bandwidth. If you're an old school C programmer who knows how pointer arithmetic and memory allocation works, you're better than 99% of the total trash new-school Node.js/Django/Rails/React developers who think JSX is some sort of "innovation". Having…

Hey, by stagnating I mean I’ve barely written code in over a year, and haven’t done any significant greenfield work my whole career. The work I have done has been mostly in legacy or obsolete technologies, and by that I mean mostly old version of stuff that’s still out there. So by stagnating I don’t only mean not up on all the new hype tech, but also the caricature of a “code monkey”. Certainly on paper at least. >…

Start a new project on the side, using the skills you’d like to develop.

Re: Employers bow to tech workers in hottest job market since the dot-com era

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Here are some "dot-com era" flashbacks from a veteran greybeard: Near the end of 1999, I moved from SV to smaller hot tech market with more affordable housing. I moved totally cold with no contacts or job lined up. The week after I arrived, I had 3 job offers. I picked the smallest web tech startup. After a couple months they got acquired by a SV megacorp and I was pissed! I wanted nothing to do with being a small fi…

The thing about the .com crash is all the investors were mainly right, besides some ridiculous things. They were just too early as the web didn’t have critical mass until 10 years later and today’s web makes the one of 10 years ago appear quaint. Because of that critical mass I think a similar crash is unlikely across the entire sector.

I don't know, I thought pets.com was stupid then, and chewy.com is stupid now. The main difference is the Chewy guys were smart enough to cash out before the bubble burst again, rather than spending their cash on stadium naming rights.
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