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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by ericmay »

pschastain wrote: post #161
ericmay wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People are stuck in their ecosystem. The monetary coat of changing platform is quite high if you’re already invested in that ecosystem. What are the costs? I can buy an iPhone or an Android phone and switch pretty easily can’t I? > Not in favour of more laws, but forcing the hands of these platforms so they provide more control to their customers is not a bad thing. Maybe more control isn’t a good thing? But even s…

> What are the costs? I can buy an iPhone or an Android phone and switch pretty easily can’t I? Software would need to be repurchased if it's even available on the other platform. Maybe you could but I know I couldn't easily or cheaply switch.

Don’t people do this now with game consoles for example?

I could easily switch. I guess maybe we should all make sure we buy software that is device independent or something too.

If you want regulation, then I think thats a good starting point. Software doesn’t have to be made for every device, but if you buy it for one you buy it for all.

Or we can just let things go too. Seems to be working mostly fine.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by newscracker »

I’m hoping and waiting for some kind of side loading, which isn’t very easy to do, to be forced on iOS through regulation. It could open the platform up for a lot more possibilities and also keep Apple on its toes in building more useful features into iOS (like what jailbreaking and Cydia did for a long time).

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by swiley »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

>wish we had a reasonable alternative

There's the PinePhone. I'm posting from one right now. It's still not super easy to use and non-voip calls/mms are still a bit of a mess.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by bluedino »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #151

It's quite bizarre that Apple just released an iPad Pro with a CPU that is more powerful than the desktop CPU in my workstation, but then cripples the device by severely restricting what kind of software you can run on it. I mainly use Linux but was looking for a secondary laptop/tablet hybrid for my office needs. I considered getting an iPad but ultimately went for a Surface Pro, which was the right choice I think.…

I can't run whatever I want on a Tesla's FSD unit.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by newscracker »

donkarma wrote: post #119
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Do you need a phone?

Valid question, but having a phone and a phone number is increasingly becoming a basic necessity to participate in society and to interact with the governments.

I wish it could be optional.

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Post by prepend »

xerox13ster wrote: post #147
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

We had a third option but developers very publicly refused to support it and Google worked tirelessly to hamstring it in every way they could. Now we're all crying for a third platform because Apple is too restrictive and Google, surprise (to no one least of all WP users), turned out to be evil and I feel absolutely no sympathy for the tech community, particularly developers who decry the current paradigm. We chose t…

Based on what’s happening with Windows, I don’t think Windows mobile would be any better for privacy than android.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by pjmlp »

LucidLynx wrote: post #149
pjmlp wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is an exercise, when a police patrol car gets parked in 2nd lane, and the officier happens to buying some stuff on a nearby shop, go there and tell them nicely that 2nd lane parking is against the traffic laws and they should fine themselves. Broken analogy? Apple is the police of Apple store.

Broken (and terrible) analogy as police does not have the right to do that... I don't know what you wanted to demonstrate but, sorry, you failed :/

They don't? Good luck teeling them that.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by swiley »

newscracker wrote: post #174
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

I agree with most of your points. > Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy I disagree with the word “marginally” here. Compared to Android, it’s far better and keeps staying ahead (while Android may try to catch up for certain features and controls).

Almost all iOS apps are sending telemetry to data brokers like Facebook and the platform makes open source stuff extremely hard. It really is marginal when you look closer.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by emteycz »

swiley wrote: post #176
emteycz wrote: post #107

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Android is a perfectly usable platform. Your comment is just as ignorant as these you criticize.

I never said it was unusable. MSDOS is also a perfectly usable platform full of bad ideas and ridiculous hacks.

Don't be ridicululous.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by flohofwoe »

tlholaday wrote: post #170
flohofwoe wrote: post #135

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"Side loading" (what a terrible word for what should be the normal way of installing software) could be disabled by default, and behind an extra scary warning screen in the settings which explicitely warns the user about the consequences. At some age (maybe starting at 16 or so?), people should be allowed to make their own decisions without "helicopter companies" hovering above them all the time telling them what to…

> … people should be allowed to make their own decisions … Should they be allowed to decide to buy a device whose manufacturer maintains a sole-source app retailer?

The problem is that there isn't really a choice, because it's either the Apple- or the Google-ecosystem and both are "walled gardens" (at least Android still allows "side loading" though). The third choice is not owning a mobile phone at all but that's nearly impossible these days.
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