Goodbye, Fleets • Hacker News Board

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#181

Post by firloop » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #180

Maybe someone can correct me, but I don’t recall ever seeing a website fundamentally change itself or evolve and grow whereas I have seen time and time again something entirely new coming out and being the thing people use instead. If you compared Twitter today to Twitter’s first tweet, it’s the same thing. Nothing’s changed with the site itself; I can see people talk about how they ate a sandwich then and still toda…

Instagram copying Snapchat's Stories is the canonical example of this working, which makes sense that Twitter tried Stories as well.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#182

Post by saurik » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #164

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The glaring omission is a time limited typo edit window. Just ducking ship it already.

I would think that a big problem here is to only allow correcting typos, not changing meaning of a tweet - which would suck for a public, fast-paced platform like twitter. This isn't as simple as counting the number of changed characters, especially when you have to consider at least dozens, better hundreds, of languages. But then again you can already cram about ten times as much meaning into a single tweet if you w…

Instead of rendering it as hidden or even as an edit history, render it with an "inline diff" (using the kind of algorithm you see Wikipedia do, or GitHub within a line) as a cross-out of the old content and the next content next to it... changing a lot of text like that would be extremely noisy and obvious--to the point where it wouldn't accomplish any evil goal and would also just be generally discouraged by its nature--and yet would fully solve the vast majority of cases that we want to satisfy.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#183

Post by charcircuit » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

Tycho wrote: post #45

It was incredibly annoying how it took up significant real estate at the top of the screen and there was no way to disable the feature. Good riddance.

It didn't though. It took up 1/8th of the screen and it wasn't sticky. If you scroll down it's off the screen. Is it really that big of a deal that you can't see an extra tweet when you are all caught up?

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#184

Post by robryan » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

par wrote: post #4

> Although we built Fleets to address some of the anxieties that hold people back from Tweeting, Fleets are mostly used by people who are already Tweeting to amplify their own Tweets this is exactly my problem with Twitter. It's an even bigger echo chamber than FB. As much as I try, I can't seem to escape the oversaturated bubble of a handful of extremely loud mouthed tweeters and their ardent followers. Mix in the t…

It is hard to escape, a lot of the people who occasionally post interesting things are also the ones that post 20 times a day.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#185

Post by staticassertion » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

Gaelan wrote: post #171

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The glaring omission is a time limited typo edit window. Just ducking ship it already.

I wonder if there are technical issues here? It wouldn't be too surprising if "tweets are immutable" (and therefore safe to aggressively cache) is an assumption baked into a lot of their code.

I could imagine that, though I think there are likely many efficient ways to implement immutable edits, especially if:

a) You're constraining the time-to-edit b) You're constrained to a single edit

But it could be a lot of work to ensure that it's a consistent experience since you'd have to untangle the "cache this thing for-literally-ever" expectations that may exist.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#186

Post by andy_ppp » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

adolph wrote: post #176

andy_ppp wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you can anonymously edit your messages on HN?

Oh, you must be looking for a Wikipedia clone then.

Much shorter articles and only one editor…

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#187

Post by charcircuit » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

cpeterso wrote: post #109

The feature name "Fleets" was terrible. I know it was a pun on "fleeting tweet", but the word "fleet" just makes me think of a fleet of ships.

and tweets makes me think of birds it really doesn't matter

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#188

Post by charcircuit » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

bloudermilk wrote: post #157

I use Twitter basically every day and never even knew this existed. What are Fleets?

It's at the top of your timeline. People can make tweets that last 24 hours.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#189

Post by charcircuit » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

molasses wrote: post #37

Never seen the option in compose for a fleet? How do you do one?

Hit the add button in the area where other people's fleets show up.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

#190

Post by chrisofspades » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:21 PM UTC

tadzik_ wrote: post #155

gonehome wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to set retention would make me feel better about tweeting. You can do some of this with third party tools, but it'd be nice to have it built in. I stopped liking Tweets though because it's actually impossible to remove more than 3k old likes. I was eventually able to do so, but it required contacting their DPO office and having them reset the cache each time so I could remove them in batches (entire proces…

> I'd also love a YouTube Premium style twitter where I could pay $10/month for no ads tweetdeck.twitter.com is their first-party client that doesn't have ads (and also gives you an actual chronological feed and some other niceties). Interestingly, it also never implemented Fleets.

Wow, I completely forgot about tweetdeck. Thanks for the reminder.