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Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

marsdepinski wrote: post #63

Isn't that public performance and doesn't that require the police dept to pay royalties?

I don't want to argue the case on the video, but I am curious. If I have legally obtained copy of a song and I play it so that people I do not know hear it is it considered illegal.

Some scenarios:

A) like here, I just play on my phone. Idea is that it is for myself, say I left my earphones at home, but I just need my tunes.

B) I have my open headphones on, so the music is clearly audible to anyone near by me

C) I have earbuds (no sound for people near by), but they get disconnected and my phone goes on speaker

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by woodruffw »

vxNsr wrote: post #170
pc86 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attempting to stop the distribution of Constitutionally protected speech isn't retaliation?

It’s unclear to me how recording something is a first amendment issue at all, let alone a speech issue. TheVerge makes this unsubstantiated claim and many people here accept it, but I struggle to understand how the first amendment protects recording something. ::Edit:: I’m being rate limited due to getting flagged and downvoted so I’ll reply here: The EFF link keeps calling it a 1st amendment right, but doesn’t actua…

> but I struggle to understand how the first amendment protects recording something.

The public's right to record the police is well established under the First Amendment[1][2]. The Verge doesn't substantiate it because, well, it's conventional wisdom.

[1]: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/06/you-have-first-amendme...

[2]: https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/right-record-police-do...

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by effingwewt »

CyberShadow wrote: post #175
varispeed wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many Android phones you can't record calls and call recording apps don't work. When I recently reported a crime police didn't show up and when I asked them to come for a follow up, they lied that I have not asked anyone to come. The lovely lady even said "We listened to your call and you didn't ask us to come when incident happened."

The reason is mostly technical. Depending on the phone, call audio isn't implemented as much in software as wired directly (in some variable degree) to the radio hardware. This is why the quality and success rate of call recording apps varies - it depends how many kinds of configurations the app authors managed to implement support / workarounds for.

Bullshit. They break it with updates on phones where it worked just fine. They also removed access to root folders on a whim. This sucked for those of us with locked bootloaders, without root we now lost access to those folders and the contents therein.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by trophycase »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #104
darkerside wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I get that cops aren't very popular these days, but this is a very clever hack, and I like to think that the HN crowd is logical enough to appreciate it, regardless of the perpetrator.

It is a clever hack, and like other zero days we need to implement a patch immediately. It is simply unacceptable that police can start playing music and prevent their (mis)conduct from being distributed on the most popular distribution channels.

What misconduct?

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

CyberShadow wrote: post #175
varispeed wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many Android phones you can't record calls and call recording apps don't work. When I recently reported a crime police didn't show up and when I asked them to come for a follow up, they lied that I have not asked anyone to come. The lovely lady even said "We listened to your call and you didn't ask us to come when incident happened."

The reason is mostly technical. Depending on the phone, call audio isn't implemented as much in software as wired directly (in some variable degree) to the radio hardware. This is why the quality and success rate of call recording apps varies - it depends how many kinds of configurations the app authors managed to implement support / workarounds for.

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Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by Muromec »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #172
Judgmentality wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good on the protestors for calling him out on being an asshole, filming it, and getting the publicity this deserves so we can have a public debate about the manchildren our government protects through qualified immunity. If the officer really wanted to engage with the protestors, all he had to do was not play the song. The cops care more about protecting themselves than protecting the citizens they aren't even sworn…

>If the officer really wanted to engage with the protestors It is painfully obvious that he did NOT want to do that. The protestors wanted to engage with him and nitpick on whatever order he had given them. They are acting hostile and trying to land the officer in question in trouble. Yeah he kind a does it to himself by trying to play the music so the video won't end up on Youtube, but I can only see this as anti po…

Cops are paid by public and public has a right to know how they are doing their job, so yes, it’s very different

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by eqtn »

lucideer wrote: post #50
LinuxBender wrote: post #24

Perhaps a work around would be to post without audio and add text captions, fully accepting that if the people in the video are wearing masks, the captions could turn into bad lipreading memes.

Given the tools available now to do speech replacement/ deepfakes / etc. I wonder is there anything open-source available for song-replacement. This is actually a problem I've seen on multiple (more innocuous) occasions: so-called "content-creator" youtubers casually mentioning that they had to throw away clips or rerecord sections during editing after realising there was copyrighted background noise. So I'd say ther…

There is "Mute song only(beta)" in YouTube which says "Remove the claimed song only, keeping the rest of the sound. This option usually takes longer and might not work if the song is hard to remove"

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by zinekeller »

effingwewt wrote: post #183
CyberShadow wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is mostly technical. Depending on the phone, call audio isn't implemented as much in software as wired directly (in some variable degree) to the radio hardware. This is why the quality and success rate of call recording apps varies - it depends how many kinds of configurations the app authors managed to implement support / workarounds for.

Bullshit. They break it with updates on phones where it worked just fine. They also removed access to root folders on a whim. This sucked for those of us with locked bootloaders, without root we now lost access to those folders and the contents therein.

What is you country (of your SIM card)? If it's Asia, I'm definitely sure that circumventing that restriction (even analog means) will get you to jail.

Edit: also some parts of the US!

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

988747 wrote: post #70
lucideer wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the tools available now to do speech replacement/ deepfakes / etc. I wonder is there anything open-source available for song-replacement. This is actually a problem I've seen on multiple (more innocuous) occasions: so-called "content-creator" youtubers casually mentioning that they had to throw away clips or rerecord sections during editing after realising there was copyrighted background noise. So I'd say ther…

But if you do "song-replacement" then the video is now edited, and loses all credibility.

Stupid question: How do you know that the video isn't "edited"?

It clearly has been edited to add the subtitles and the watermark to the top left corner and it has fade to black and then fade in their logo and donation link at the end.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by gknoy »

vxNsr wrote: post #170
pc86 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attempting to stop the distribution of Constitutionally protected speech isn't retaliation?

It’s unclear to me how recording something is a first amendment issue at all, let alone a speech issue. TheVerge makes this unsubstantiated claim and many people here accept it, but I struggle to understand how the first amendment protects recording something. ::Edit:: I’m being rate limited due to getting flagged and downvoted so I’ll reply here: The EFF link keeps calling it a 1st amendment right, but doesn’t actua…

'woodruffw beat me to it, but I'll quote from the EFF's page that he links:

"""Federal courts and the Justice Department have recognized the right of individuals to record the police. Although the Supreme Court has not squarely ruled on the issue, there is a long line of First Amendment case law from the high court that supports the right to record the police. And federal appellate courts in the First, Third, Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Eleventh Circuits have directly upheld this right"""

They go into more detail in one of the amicus briefs that they link to in the text that I was quoting [0].

0: https://www.eff.org/document/eff-amicus-brief-martin-v-rolli...

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