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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by sreque »

wolverine876 wrote: post #173
_ivvf wrote: post #154

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> If you don't consider these eyewitness accounts as evidence, then I can only assume you have your blinders on. Not only does that violate HN guidelines, and is irrational and ignorant, it's just propaganda against me. Have a nice day.

I'm pretty sure courts consider eyewitness accounts as evidence, and rightly so. In what universe is it not considered evidence? Note there is a difference between evidence and incontrovertible proof.

I'm starting to think when you say "propaganda" you mean "anything I don't think is true or am unwilling to investigate further for myself."

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by wolverine876 »

froh wrote: post #159
wolverine876 wrote: post #124

> The aim of propaganda is to change minds via the use of emotion, misinformation, disinformation, truths, half-truths, and cleverly selected facts; not to enlighten (although one can technically propagandize true information, using emotion to sell truth, this generally isn’t what we are talking about when we use the term “propaganda”). My understanding is that experts consider the aim of propaganda to be confusing a…

interesting! do you have a good entry point into said better research and knowledge?

Ah, I dreaded this question. Not at my fingertips. I would look up a university curriculum. Here is something I do have at my fingertips:

https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/ijoc-political-communication-comput...

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by wolverine876 »

akomtu wrote: post #139
wolverine876 wrote: post #100

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> indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education What evidence do you have that it is happening and on what scale? My teachers, all that I recall, never presented any opinion or perspective as truth. It was always about thinking critically for ourselves. If, for example, they presented a well-established view on the sinking of the Maine , it was as material for our analysis and evaluation.

That's a real thing, though. In fact, some legislatures are so concerned that they've started passing laws prohibiting propaganda. Example is the recent HB3979 bill: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2339637

> some legislatures are so concerned that they've started passing laws prohibiting propaganda. Example is the recent HB3979 bill:

> https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2339637

If you are aware of that bill, you know that it's potentially a product of the conservative reactionary movement, which demonizes anything liberal and attacks with everything they've got.

That doesn't mean propaganda doesn't exist in education, but isn't it a bit disingenuous to present the bill only as a product of 'concern' and omit political movement with which it's widely associated? Isn't that disninformation?

I'm asking a genuine question, given the context.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by temp8964 »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #177
pacerwpg wrote: post #144

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I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.

You casting doubt on the poster's assertions makes me incredibly angry. You clearly don't know anything about what's going on in public schools yet you pretend to be wiser than the poster about it. I have a kid in a public high school. He has shared pictures, video, links, and schedules. Also I have visited local high schools and seen the messaging being delivered on the walls. These schools have one mission right no…

Thanks. My oldest kid is at the second grade now, so I don't see those stuff directly. But I am very very concerned.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by wolverine876 »

sreque wrote: post #181
wolverine876 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't consider these eyewitness accounts as evidence, then I can only assume you have your blinders on. Not only does that violate HN guidelines, and is irrational and ignorant, it's just propaganda against me. Have a nice day.

I'm pretty sure courts consider eyewitness accounts as evidence, and rightly so. In what universe is it not considered evidence? Note there is a difference between evidence and incontrovertible proof. I'm starting to think when you say "propaganda" you mean "anything I don't think is true or am unwilling to investigate further for myself."

Sadly, you didn't read my comment. I said 'have a nice day', and here you are attacking someone. That will never make you feel good. Really, do something positive and constructive. Go help an elderly person across the street.

Genuinely, I hope you have a nice day. I've gotta go do something creative and constructive myself.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by bosswipe »

whatthesmack wrote: post #121
bosswipe wrote: post #106

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If every single left-leaning media said the lab-leak hypothesis was debunked it should be easy for you to give me one citation.

It's harder since they've all gone back and stealth-edited their articles. Here's one example from PaulG: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1396769717805780994

Jeez those are some minor edits. This whole lab leak theory is turning into a major vindication talking point for the right but it's all built on a straw man as far as I can tell. And no one brings up things like hydroxychloroquine any more. Everything is framed as left vs right when it doesn't have to be just to increase polarization and outrage.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by sudosysgen »

reedjosh wrote: post #120
HWR_14 wrote: post #94

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Children aren't property. It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. We do it for various forms of abuse. We obviously want to be careful, but I see no reason to allow 14-year-olds to get married off by their parents to adult men in their cult. Nor do I think it's okay to change that to the parents let their 14-year-olds get groomed for 4 years either.

Okay, but if they send their children to christian school (I'm actually not religious myself), is that too much indoctrination for you, or is it okay for people to raise their children with their own views and culture?

I personally think that all children should be raised under a common, secular curriculum.

Then people can send their children to Sunday school or communicate their religious/political values.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by nescioquid »

wolverine876 wrote: post #172
seertaak wrote: post #155

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There are slides circulating on Twitter, apparently snapped during presentations given to educators in the context of diversity training, exhorting viewers to understand, say, punctuality as a manifestation of white supremacy. Set aside for a moment the very fair questions one can ask about the trustworthiness of these images. Ignore for now whether this was shown to 5 or 5000 eductors, etc. Let's just assume such in…

> Let's just assume such instructions were in fact given to educators on some non-negligible scale. IMHO, and pertinent to the OP: That is out of textbook of how mis- and disinformation impacts human thinking: Observe something emotionally provocative and follow the urge to dive in, regardless of the reality: 'What if it's true???" I've trained myself not to do it. I'm always interested in valuable, credible informat…

You seem to deny there is any propaganda or indoctrination happening in U.S. education.

A commenter asked what it would take to change your mind, and offers a hypothetical scenario as a test (which may have some basis in reality, but excludes that from consideration), and you refused to consider it.

Do you think there is any sort of evidence, if demonstrated adequately, that would change your mind? What sort of evidence would be sufficient?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by MarkLowenstein »

temp8964 wrote: post #184
MarkLowenstein wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You casting doubt on the poster's assertions makes me incredibly angry. You clearly don't know anything about what's going on in public schools yet you pretend to be wiser than the poster about it. I have a kid in a public high school. He has shared pictures, video, links, and schedules. Also I have visited local high schools and seen the messaging being delivered on the walls. These schools have one mission right no…

Thanks. My oldest kid is at the second grade now, so I don't see those stuff directly. But I am very very concerned.

I have another in middle school, same district. It's only about 5-10% as pronounced there as in the high schools.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by reducesuffering »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #177
pacerwpg wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying that children aren't being taught the things you say they're being taught.

You casting doubt on the poster's assertions makes me incredibly angry. You clearly don't know anything about what's going on in public schools yet you pretend to be wiser than the poster about it. I have a kid in a public high school. He has shared pictures, video, links, and schedules. Also I have visited local high schools and seen the messaging being delivered on the walls. These schools have one mission right no…

> 6. Time off granted if you join a walk-out for preferred causes like global warming activism.

Oh wow some things just do not change. 20 years ago, South Park did an episode on the Iraq War. The teacher told the students, "in class today we'll be doing 2 hours of math problems, OR you can join the walk out protesting the war." Obviously the kids run out of school celebrating.[0]

[0]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0705933/

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