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What it's like to be cancelled

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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by 3grdlurker »

We talk about cancel culture like it’s a new horrible thing that’s developed only recently but I don’t see it that way. The internet definitely amplifies the effects, but unkindness begets unkindness, and the consequences or the social cost of one’s unkindness will always catch up to an individual at some point.

That said, I draw a line at defamation. When someone is accusing someone online of having committed a crime, I think that the proper reaction would be to stay quiet and let it play out in a court, if it ever gets there. I also don’t think that companies should be allowed to fire employees based on accusations that have not yet been proven to be true, though, of course, it is justifiable once they are proven.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by overgard »

bigbillheck wrote: post #98
noahbradley wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't grope anyone and I'm not sure where you've heard that, but it's 100% false.

Actually while you're responding here, can you verify that you had these '48 laws of power' as your desktop? https://twitter.com/arvalis/status/1274765367957573632/photo...

It's an interesting book, who cares? Knowledge can be used for good or bad purposes. There's nothing implicitly wrong with "power".

There's nothing even wrong with reading any book. Just because you read "mein kaumpf" doesn't mean you agree with Hitler, it might just mean you're curious how the most evil man in history became that way.

(I've read that 48 laws book btw. It's "amoral" -- none of the advice is suggested be either good or bad, but simply effective)

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by [deleted] »

gonehome wrote: post #144
theossuary wrote: post #4

Twitter is vile. I thought that the day the company started, and never created an account; nothing good can come from a platform like Twitter. It's a failure of our laws that there's no recourse to this kind of libel, either against Twitter for basing their business model on it, or the individuals responsible for spreading it. Lives are consistently destroyed and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and goes "aw-shuc…

I recognize the context of this response, but Twitter can be really great. I follow a lot of interesting people - as a result my information on Covid was more accurate and months earlier than anything in the main stream press. Sometimes not just 'more accurate', but the main stream press was actively and entirely wrong and a handful of smart people on Twitter were right. [0] You also can interact with other interesti…

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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by DevKoala »

mandmandam wrote: post #151
radmuzom wrote: post #66

Earlier this year when Richard Stallman was re-instated to the Board of the FSF, there were a lot of tweets expressing dismay. To one of them, I replied that I personally don't think he has done anything wrong at all - and linked to a well-known article by a woman who defended him better than me. While I found some support among a few people, the amount of hate I received shook me a bit. People started adding me to l…

Good for you for doing the right thing. Let me ask you - did you feel like the hate thrown at you on Twitter was completely organic? Was there anything that made you question the motives of the involved Twits? I ask because the whole smear job vs Stallman felt quite manufactured to me; from the initial Vice article horrifically misquoting him, to the weirdly rabid hate towards anyone defending him on forums like this…

Doesn’t it always feel manufactured?

What you are mentioning regarding the case of Stallman’s cancelling is the same pattern I have seen applied against every other voice that has a dissenting opinion of the current culture that dominates social media.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by qbasic_forever »

EvilEy3 wrote: post #108
qbasic_forever wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an odd strawman. I... wouldn't behave incorrectly in the first place. It's not a difficult concept to understand for most people I hope, especially with sexual harassment.

>> I... wouldn't behave incorrectly in the first place. It's not a difficult concept to understand for most people I hope, especially with sexual harassment. > I wouldn't be poor in the first place! > I wouldn't be sick in the first place! > I wouldn't be in their shoes in the first place! What an argument.

What do those issues have to do with someone who chooses to be a sexual predator?

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by njharman »

laurent123456 wrote: post #100

It seems it's better to stay away entirely from certain sensitive topics. No matter your intentions, no matter what you actually think, it just takes a bit of misunderstanding or bad faith and the whole thing explode.

This is exactly why cancel culture is so toxic (and to lessor extent all "political correctness"). It is oppression, repression and censorship. It is mob rule, happy only when they get a lynching, no matter the guilt or innocence.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by muglug »

TX0098812 wrote: post #169
muglug wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a good friend of mine who witnessed it first-hand.

You missed the point. While the entire thread talk about how people can easily accuse others on the internet without evidence, someone posts a link containing accusations and we're supposed to automatically assume it's true. But hey, now some guy on hacker news says his friend witnessed it...

Sure, I will ask my friend if he wants to write a sworn affidavit and have it notarised. But until then you're just going to have to trust that there are hundreds of people who witnessed Spacey's behaviour.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by rzanella »

Nux wrote: post #54
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even for as creepy as Kevin Spacey is/was, all accounts of his cancelling are tossed out in court for lack of evidence, or pending his own lawsuits against these people. Netflix really did him dirty throwing him under the bus like they did as have many companies/schools/organizations simply on hearsay alone. It reminds me a lot of the movie Jagten with Mads Mickelson. A whole community despises you and vehemently wan…

That's a very powerful film, everyone should watch it. English title is "The hunt".

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2106476/

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by tester756 »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #147
radmuzom wrote: post #66

Earlier this year when Richard Stallman was re-instated to the Board of the FSF, there were a lot of tweets expressing dismay. To one of them, I replied that I personally don't think he has done anything wrong at all - and linked to a well-known article by a woman who defended him better than me. While I found some support among a few people, the amount of hate I received shook me a bit. People started adding me to l…

This is great example why pseudonymous commentary is often essential to honest discourse.

I also believe that sometimes it'd be better if judge's name wasn't known

e.g in cases like Derek's Chauvin (police officer / G. Floyd)

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by qbasic_forever »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #90
qbasic_forever wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an odd strawman. I... wouldn't behave incorrectly in the first place. It's not a difficult concept to understand for most people I hope, especially with sexual harassment.

Everyone makes mistakes, behaves incorrectly, and causes harm though. Everyone has. You, me too.

I don't follow your logic. So like, because I ran through a red light once we should forgive all sexual predators?
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