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Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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Ah yes, the "technology". Any day now. Won't know what hit them. Around the corner really, alongside cold fusion and the chewing gum that replaces toothbrushes.

It's only been 12 years! I'm sure someone will come up with the killer blockchain app soon.

Censorship resistant, non state, hard money than can be transferred over a communication channel is the killer app. Was there from day zero.

Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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It costs $1 to increase the market cap of a fiat pegged stable coin by $1, while changing the market cap of Bitcoin is a lot cheaper because there's no safe way for a market maker to provide substantial liquidity for it. At any time this dynamic can start working in the other direction, and the market cap of Bitcoin can fall below the net value converted to it.

Well, no, it costs absolutely nothing to print off another billion Tethers. We only have the vaguest possible assurances that there's something behind each USDT, and they've already admitted it's not actual dollars.

Not absolutely nothing — it costs eth gas to call mint().

Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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> Remember, Tether has no upside. There is no reason to ever hold Tether for any length of time. It looks like USDC, issued by a company co-owned by Coinbase (YC incubated right?) and Circle, is quickly replacing tether. One year ago there were about 1/10th of USDC compared to tether, now it's half. Apparently USDC are really fully backed by real USD and the smart contract for USDC can block any address containing US…

Regarding USDC - people in control of usdc can (and did) blacklist any wallet at their own desire, so it's not much different from storing money in bank, exchange etc How about DAI ? This stablecoin doesn't have both USDT's and USDC's disadvantages

Unfortunately, it's largely backed by USDC right now... The failure of USDC would hurt the DAI peg.

If your threat model is government-backed censorship, though, it should be an improvement.

Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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It's only been 12 years! I'm sure someone will come up with the killer blockchain app soon.

Censorship resistant, non state, hard money than can be transferred over a communication channel is the killer app. Was there from day zero.

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Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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>I'm certain that Tether has backroom relationships with major exchanges - Tether provides liquidity to exchanges in the form of short term USDT loans. Is there a reason why exchanges even need such loans?

Having all that Tether massively increases trade volume. Exchanges make money on fees, which of course rise proportionally to trade volume.

>Having all that Tether massively increases trade volume.

How? Having massive amounts of tether in your wallet doesn't increase trade volume, having users who trade increases trade volume. If I own 1B USDT and deposit it to some random exchange and let it sit there, the volume isn't going to change one bit.

Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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>I'm certain that Tether has backroom relationships with major exchanges - Tether provides liquidity to exchanges in the form of short term USDT loans. Is there a reason why exchanges even need such loans?

A lot of shadier exchanges are giving away USDT to encourage people to move their other cryptocurrency holdings onto the exchange.

Can you link to some? Most of them are pretty modest, eg. create an account, make $500 worth of trades and we'll give you $50 in USDT. You certainly don't need to move all of your holdings over to take advantage. Moreover, I don't see how account opening bonuses are shady. It might be cheaper for them if they can get hold of USDT for cheaper than its face value, but if that were the case I don't see why they don't go with the more straightforward route of directly selling USDT for USD (eg. https://trade.kraken.com/charts/KRAKEN:USDT-USD).

Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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I keep thinking of Madoff's fund. It was once called "the Jewish T-bill". It worked just fine until there was a significant net outflow. Then, total crash, because the backing assets were not there. Tether is way too much like that. Remember, Tether has no upside . There is no reason to ever hold Tether for any length of time. [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/before-dying-bernie-madoff-lif...

> Remember, Tether has no upside. There is no reason to ever hold Tether for any length of time.

"There is this product/service X, that is bought and traded fro billions. I don't see any use cases myself so clearly there isn't any reason to use it. Market is wrong and I am right."

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> Remember, Tether has no upside. There is no reason to ever hold Tether for any length of time. It looks like USDC, issued by a company co-owned by Coinbase (YC incubated right?) and Circle, is quickly replacing tether. One year ago there were about 1/10th of USDC compared to tether, now it's half. Apparently USDC are really fully backed by real USD and the smart contract for USDC can block any address containing US…

Something is off in USDC land though: https://news.bitcoin.com/usdc-attestations-run-late-raising-...

That site is generally not a trusted news source. I'd follow that link up with something else.

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At 8.6% APY, would you say you believe you have a sub-8.6% chance of the funds disappearing in a given year? Considering that it would take over a decade to return the original capital in value, I feel that the compensation is low relative to the risk of loss. Ten years is a lot of time for a company to bungle your funds, especially in the cryptocurrency world.

>At 8.6% APY, would you say you believe you have a sub-8.6% chance of the funds disappearing in a given year? Those 8.6% APY are only available for a month at most. The APY changes all the time as more people deposit their money.

Not true at all. 8.6 has been stable for over a year. It is also very very low compared with what you can get in DeFi (which is arguably higher risk).

Re: Bitcoin’s reliance on stablecoins harks back to the Wild West of finance

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> So why can’t banks provide higher yields with simple savings accounts? Because yield is the price that borrowers pay for borrowing funds. When there are a lot of funds available for borrowing and not many people wanting to borrow yields will fall. There is just nothing central banks or commercial banks can do to raise yields if there is little demand for loans.

> There is just nothing central banks or commercial banks can do to raise yields if there is little demand for loans. I am sorry but I think you've got this completely the wrong way. The demand for loans did not shrink in the last couple of years: Look at the housing prices (including the infamously high rents) and the volume of credits people burden themselves with. Rather, the amount of liquidity (i.e. money) circu…

This is not how banks operate. When a bank makes a loan, the bank creates a new deposit in its balance sheet, in effect creating new money out of thin air. [1] Most of the money in circulation is created by banks in this way. This means banks don't need liquidity to make loans, because they can create their own liquidity. And, yes, the demands for loans in the EZ crashed during the financial crisis and hasn't recovered ever since, which explains the low interest rates.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation#Role_of_banks_i...

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