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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by Dah00n »

distribot wrote: post #143
Dah00n wrote: post #97

One of the reasons I use HN is because of the No Political or Ideological fights rule (because I know I can't stop commenting from time to time even though I'd rather live a life without this crap). I wish rules were here to be enforced, not as guidelines hardly anyone follow.

This isn’t political though, it’s social. Unless political to you means anything related to the way society is structured and people relate to each other.

Since it include both political and ideological fights in the guidelines it doesn't really matter. It definitely fits this thread. Added ideological to OP.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by gadders »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #149
gadders wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are several Christian and Islamic countries but only one Jewish one.

Seems like you're changing the subject to talk about religion. Can we assume you cede the point regarding ethnicity?

What do you think "Jewish" means then? You think being "Jewish" is an equivalent adjective to being "French"?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by droopyEyelids »

foolfoolz wrote: post #138
xvolter wrote: post #51

For anyone who is interested, the actual blog post on his website was deleted. It's available on the Way Back Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau...

still not fired from google. if this post was “if i were black” and anyone not black wrote it they would be fired

If I understand what you're saying, you're setting aside the context that [the state of Israel exists and has a controversial military doctrine], and reading the Google guy's post as specifically targeted at people who share the Jewish faith?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Post by austincheney »

myfavoritedog wrote: post #113
ostenning wrote: post #6

Here is a classic case of someone conflating the state of Israel and Jewish people and lumping it all together. Plenty of Jewish people that live both inside and outside of Israel are critical of the state. People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. His comments are offensive for this reason.

People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Many of the same countries that have all but eliminated their own Jewish populations somehow find Israel's very existence to be unpalatable, going after them in t…

I have known devote Jewish Americans who are extremely critical of Israeli politics. I would be hard pressed to call them antisemitic.

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Post by asidiali »

myfavoritedog wrote: post #113
ostenning wrote: post #6

Here is a classic case of someone conflating the state of Israel and Jewish people and lumping it all together. Plenty of Jewish people that live both inside and outside of Israel are critical of the state. People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. His comments are offensive for this reason.

People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Many of the same countries that have all but eliminated their own Jewish populations somehow find Israel's very existence to be unpalatable, going after them in t…

Such strong arguments, such as “I guess,” and my personal favorite, “as a matter of probability.”

Just fanning the flames, let’s work together to find a solution instead of gaslighting.

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Post by bushbaba »

door101 wrote: post #164
myfavoritedog wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Many of the same countries that have all but eliminated their own Jewish populations somehow find Israel's very existence to be unpalatable, going after them in t…

> Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Because it’s a colonial ethnostate, with massive support from the United States. Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist. Palestine is not an ethnostate, it is the name for the multicultural, multi-ethnic state who rightfully control…

This is off topic. And getting away from root article.

However Before Israel there was the British mandate. Before that Ottoman Empire.

The Palestinians in Gaza never controlled the land.

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Post by rsj_hn »

JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #95
nazca wrote: post #37

Slightly shocking that he didn't get fired. (yet?) They fired Damore for writing an email that was tone-deaf, insensitive, but largely supported by research. Bobb goes on a clearly antisemitic rant, and just gets reassigned. Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?

I think the blog post is definitely worse than Damore's email (although I thought it was pretty crappy in itself), but you're talking here about a blog post from 2007 and an email that was sent via company channels while he was working there. I can only imagine Bobb was quite apologetic and a lot more aware of how terrible his conflations are there than he was in 2007. That's also 14 years of time to have solid evide…

No Damore sent supposedly confidential feedback when solicited to do so by diversity trainers. That content so enraged the diversity staff they leaked it to the rest of the company. Perhaps Damore was naive in thinking the feedback about diversity training was welcome or confidential, but he definately did not send a company-wide email to anyone.

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Post by duped »

yonixw wrote: post #73
jewnotzionist wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is, of course, true. However part of the problem is that zionists within the state of Israel work really hard to blur this distinction. You can see for example arguments being made in that sense in this debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VTt_THL4A Or the French parliament deciding that anti-Zionism is antisemitism: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/french-parliamen... Even within Israel the…

Another part of the problem is when the criticizers forget that Zionism got a huge boost after pogroms on Jewish communities across Europe. So, by criticising Zionism in a middle of a self defense operation in Gaza (as they see it), you look like you don't know its roots and look like they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense.

No one is forgetting the Holocaust or historic pogroms on Jews in Europe when they criticize Israeli military actions or forced displacement.
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