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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by mkishi »

camillomiller wrote: post #102

Had me for a while, then unfortunately lost me at the quote of Scott Adams. Adams is EXACTLY who I think anyone should avoid quoting at all costs, when you’re rightfully criticizing the Internet Morality Hordes. If you wanna know why, just scroll his Twitter timeline.

> Had me for a while, then unfortunately lost me at the quote of Scott Adams.

It's interesting to me you didn't just say "quoting Scott Adams is a mistake," instead you "were with them until they quoted Adams," implying a single quote you disagree with invalidates all their points.

Are you saying you believe they deserved it because those were consequences for being the person they are, ie. someone who quotes Adams? If that's not the case, why did you phrase it like that? At best, it sounds like because of the "affiliation" you suddenly don't care for something you were inclined to care, regardless of whether they have other points or not.

This seems similar to the dynamics that made it happen in the first place, people who didn't care about specifics or nuance speaking out with the most dismissive light on the situation, furthering the idea that they deserve the consequences because they are inherently bad people.

I'm not saying those were your intentions, but sometimes wording matters, and the multiplying effect of social media doesn't care about intentions.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by Vektorweg »

WDCDev wrote: post #57
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #29

From the linked Notion "Receipts" page: > I've struggled to understand why so many people have piled on to these absurd accusations without facts. I watched a similar situation play out in real time. A friend had to fire an employee who wasn't submitting work or even responding to communications. The employe retaliated by using their moderately large social media presence to disparage my friend and her company. Stran…

> I was stunned at how someone with zero evidence and an obvious axe to grind could rally such disdain for someone else with little more than a few unsubstantiated social media posts. I feel that this is due to the weird place victimization occupies in our culture combined with how anti-social social media is. It's extremely easy to issue accusations and threats and have them be read by literally millions of people.…

> I don't think we can depend on the good nature of people and rationality to ultimately prevail.

least not with the current common education.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by SavantIdiot »

honkdaddy wrote: post #170
SavantIdiot wrote: post #163

I wouldn't call OP's post "receipts", but rather "his curated receipts." What makes more sense? Some dude has been creepy and only showed the positive side in his defense, or three random unrelated women -- who he claims only ever had lovely, adoring exchanges with him -- decided to destroy his life for no apparent reason. I mean, the former case has a precedent for happening almost habitually in the past, you'd have…

Here's an example[1], from his blog post, about the interaction one of these women defined as "creepy". If this is the bar for unacceptable discourse between men and women, without being a mind-reader, I'm not really sure how one is ever supposed to win. [1] https://www.notion.so/image/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazo...

That's his receipt. Not hers.

Is that really 100% of the interactions they've had?

You seem to be pretty confident there's only his side of the story.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by christophilus »

jollybean wrote: post #20

I see this trending on TikTok with the 'Karen' thing but often you have no idea what was actually said or done, just a mob. I honestly think the Social Media Gods need to move beyond these memes because it's more witch-hunt than anything at this point.

My wife was called a “Karen” for telling a (white British) man that his big dogs were not allowed off leash at the children’s playground. It’s gotten beyond absurd at this point.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by SavantIdiot »

bobsmooth wrote: post #176
SavantIdiot wrote: post #163

I wouldn't call OP's post "receipts", but rather "his curated receipts." What makes more sense? Some dude has been creepy and only showed the positive side in his defense, or three random unrelated women -- who he claims only ever had lovely, adoring exchanges with him -- decided to destroy his life for no apparent reason. I mean, the former case has a precedent for happening almost habitually in the past, you'd have…

Remember what happened to ProJared?

No I don't. Not sure what side of the arg ProJared is on.

But I do remember what happened to Vanessa Guillén, and an entire military that tried to cover it up, and many, many others like her. (Should I enumerate GamerGate's victims and the way their real accusers said it was BS, when it wasn't?)

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by bobsmooth »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #185
bobsmooth wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember what happened to ProJared?

No I don't. Not sure what side of the arg ProJared is on. But I do remember what happened to Vanessa Guillén, and an entire military that tried to cover it up, and many, many others like her. (Should I enumerate GamerGate's victims and the way their real accusers said it was BS, when it wasn't?)

Jared was accused by his ex of some shitty things, then a bunch of randos straight up lied about him to pile on. It's 40 minutes but he explains what happened to him here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBywRBbDUjA

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by mc32 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #29

From the linked Notion "Receipts" page: > I've struggled to understand why so many people have piled on to these absurd accusations without facts. I watched a similar situation play out in real time. A friend had to fire an employee who wasn't submitting work or even responding to communications. The employe retaliated by using their moderately large social media presence to disparage my friend and her company. Stran…

The unfortunate tendency of people not in the know is to pile on righteous indignation for the sake of peer brownie points.

It’s often clear they’re just taking a birdshit on something that looks like it can earn them internet kudos.

Dynamically it doesn’t seem far removed from a lynchmob.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by WDCDev »

pjc50 wrote: post #166
WDCDev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was stunned at how someone with zero evidence and an obvious axe to grind could rally such disdain for someone else with little more than a few unsubstantiated social media posts. I feel that this is due to the weird place victimization occupies in our culture combined with how anti-social social media is. It's extremely easy to issue accusations and threats and have them be read by literally millions of people.…

> strengthening our libel laws This nearly always advantages businesses and the wealthy, especially in false or ambiguous situations, and whistleblowers of all kinds. Litigation is incredibly expensive and slow. Do people really want to spend a house worth and several years on this kind of fight? (This is why the US felt it necessary to pass laws against UK libel judgements being enforced, it was infringing on US sta…

Whistleblowers have plenty of protections and can be exempted. Libel can be stated such that they only apply to private matters between individuals, where accusations that do not reach the felony level - which is exactly what is going on here. I have no doubt we could protect all interests, while limiting the power of the wealthy and powerful.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by newbie789 »

It’s fascinating that something like this would happen without any context.

I’m struggling to figure out what possible causes for four different women to draw such attention to themselves to highlight this.

I suppose one option would be organized Mad Max-style roving bands of man-hating woke gangs that rove Twitter, hungry for blood.

Another would be targeted and coordinated attacks as revenge for some sort of personal or professional slight.

Or maybe the guy whose “proof of friendship over a decade” is four interactions total (half of which directly related to professional matters) might have given somebody a creepy vibe at some point. I suppose we’ll never know. According to this blog post, the matter is settled and he has been vindicated by this blog post.

Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by rkk3 »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #163

I wouldn't call OP's post "receipts", but rather "his curated receipts." What makes more sense? Some dude has been creepy and only showed the positive side in his defense, or three random unrelated women -- who he claims only ever had lovely, adoring exchanges with him -- decided to destroy his life for no apparent reason. I mean, the former case has a precedent for happening almost habitually in the past, you'd have…

> three random unrelated women

They may be unrelated but the events here weren't independent. He was accused of anonymously harassing someone thru a meme twitter account (actually run by someone else). This caused him to be virtually dog-piled. None of us know what would have happened without the initial false accusation.

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