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Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

anigbrowl wrote: post #155
nrp wrote: post #3

Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Hi, thanks for your availability and a cool product. I wonder if you plan to make the hardware spec (or parts thereof like the form factor) open source? It's nota deal breaker if you don't, but would be a big plus if you do (although more challenging from a business logic standpoint, but Red Hat seems to have done OK).

I recall reading previous HN thread where they said they were / would permit / encourage others to build compatible component.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by mike_k »

nrp wrote: post #148
gruez wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and why is that? probably import tariffs on tech products, with exceptions if it's below a certain amount.

A lot of countries have "de minimus" thresholds below which an individual can import duty-free. In the US for reference, it's $800, but other countries have other limits. If you're over that limit, either the product needs to be delivered duty paid (DDP) by the importer or if it is un-paid, the end recipient has to jump through some hoops to pay, with varying complexity in different countries. Trade logistics is an i…

Thanks for doing this! It would be very nice to know the list of countries where you will ship this year.

I was very excited and ordered it to an US address. But that means: I pay US tax + shipping/forwarding costs + local import tax of 30% on anything above USD150.

Also, I will have to order an ISO keyboard separately, when it becomes available (and it is not clear when that happens). I figured out that metal cover should be compatible between US and ISO keyboards, right?

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by kevinkeller »

nrp wrote: post #3

Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Is it possible to run the laptop directly off AC power, bypassing the battery?

Alternatively, is it possible to cap the battery charging at, say, 60-80%?

Since one of the key aspects of the laptop is the longevity and serviceability of the hardware, I am curious how the battery health can be managed.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by leetcrew »

skrtskrt wrote: post #134
skratlo wrote: post #100

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The display is fine, 4k / retina is not practical in any way, it's just marketing.

Do we have to do this on every thread about laptops? Just because you don't care about 4K or retina doesn't mean it's marketing juju. People obviously find value in it. I use 2k and 4k screens with scaling on, and it makes text and edges very clear and smooth. It reduces my eye strain significantly. Lower res than 2k is very visibly fuzzy. It's fine if you don't value that, but to act like it's "not practical in any…

you realize "2K" is just 1080p, right? it's hard to find a lower resolution than 1080p in 2021 unless you go digging deep in the bargain bin. to my eyes, 1080p is more than enough for a 13" display, but possibly insufficient for 15"+. ymmv, of course.

> There are people in every laptop thread pushing the narrative that anyone who prefers a higher resolution screen is delusional or lying. It's really strange.

people get frustrated when they can't find a SKU with their preferred feature set. 4K is not without its drawbacks (dramatically increased power consumption and lackluster hidpi support in some software). imo, 1440p is a much more reasonable upgrade for most laptop sizes, but it seems that most models only offer 1080p and 4K SKUs. sometimes you can't get the high end parts without also getting a 4K panel.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by daedalus2027 »

samstave wrote: post #95
daedalus2027 wrote: post #61

I wish i could buy it in parts, the customs in my country doesn't allow anything above 200 usd to go throught. I wish i could buy one day the frame, other day yhe motherboard and so on...

What country is that, and why is that?

In Uruguay, anything above 200 usd pays roughtly 100% in taxes, you have to import it. And you have only 3 tax free shippings per year.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by fomine3 »

ncmncm wrote: post #52
detaro wrote: post #40

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And if even the volume makers barely have the stuff available, always sold out immediately, you think they'd have an easier time?

Intel coerces the big guys by gaming their supply chain. A little startup will not have got the attention of Intel, and their total volume needs are much more easily satisfied by what they can get from AMD's limited delivery than a big player could be.

You can see many interesting niche Intel Inside devices from china, like GPD.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by fomine3 »

fyrn- wrote: post #69
nrp wrote: post #3

Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Why go with an intel plastform right now when AMD laptops CPU are lapping intel ones for heavily multithreaded work like compiling? I suspect for developers which probably represent a larger than normal segment of your potential customers, that AMD cpus would have been the better choice for battery life and multithread?

Unlike other market offering by Intel, Tiger Lake is good choice especially for lightweight mobile laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by fomine3 »

m463 wrote: post #67
nrp wrote: post #3

Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

When Apple came out with flat keyboards (~2007/2008?) the entire industry copied the trend. The tops of the keys are flat, giving very little "context" to your fingers for accurate typing. It is hard to find the center or edges of the keys, which would be easier on sculpted keys which are concave and conform to your fingers. Do manufacturers even make keyboards like that for laptops anymore?

ThinkPad?

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Post by questionableans »

alisonkisk wrote: post #133
questionableans wrote: post #57

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Have you tested the laptop’s materials for offgassing? I’ve had problems with offgassing odors that never seem to go away on multiple monitors, MacBooks and an iPad in recent years. This leads to headaches that makes it impossible to use the machines for more than a few minutes, even with good room ventilation. It would be great to buy a laptop that is known to be low offgassing. I was wondering if a Framework laptop…

What do you suspect is the chemical that is new and widespread?

I doubt it’s just one chemical, but various kinds of plastics and adhesives, and possibly some electronic components are all likely contributors. For example, on the 8th gen. iPad, the keyboard connector is surprisingly smelly.

Heat increases the rate of offgassing, so a medium amount of heat in well power managed devices can draw out the time for which there is noticeable offgassing for years. I have found if you can burn-in a computer or TV with heavy load (and consequently heat) for say a month or two, that usually takes care of it. But some mobile devices (especially fanless ones) are “too good” at thermal management, making this difficult. And even for devices with fans, you want to run them in a clean environment so you don’t prematurely fill the fans up with dust or worse.

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