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Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Another example on how tech giants control the livelihoods of millions of people. They can press one button and put thousands of people out of a job at any time. Workers rights? How about an automated reply and no specific reason for the death of your company/application/income.

These companies need to be regulated ASAP. Especially when it comes to terminating users.

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Also teach people to use and prefer F-Droid over Google Play when possible, and make your open source app available on it: - no obscure ban for application vendors - no mandatory account for installing apps and from which you can be banned - no user tracking If you don't like vendor lock-ins and its consequences, push for the alternatives.

Would F-Droid have accepted them with an ad bundle included? I seem to remember that as an anti-feature for them.

It is an anti-feature, and they seem to only be allowing apps with ads implemented using free software: https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Anti-Features/#Ads

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Well we are talking about companies with questionable ethical practices. It would be weird to NOT mention the neo-nazi tolerance when suggesting epik in a discussion like this.

As someone who has a lot to lose if nazis ever get back in power: isn't the correct thing to still register their domains and just go to the police with it? Based on my sysadmin background I actively try to know as little about my customers as possible: sure I might become a hero whistleblower but more likely I'll taint myself in various ways.

I think life as a neo-nazi should be as difficult as humanly possible so I'd try find a way to boot them off any service I operate. It's likely many hosting providers etc have a "no illegal stuff or neo-nazi shit" clause in their TOS. A few of these sites have bounced around providers before landing with Epik, so it doesn't seem to be rare or hard to do. It's a choice Epik have made to, if not welcome them then tolerate them.

Sorry if that might seem naive, if it makes anyone feel better I'm not operating a domain registrar or hosting provider so my opinion is kind of moot anyway :)

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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(Author here.) This is excellent advice for consumer apps/products, (it's especially important to keep enterprise accounts fully separate from your individual consumer accounts), but it wouldn't have helped DroidScript in this case. DroidScript is a non-profit organization; when they signed up for Google AdMob and Google Play Store, they provided the same tax ID (their EIN) in both cases. Creating separate Google acc…

> Creating a subsidiary business for every type of Google account you have would be quite expensive Costs roughly $1000/yr to run a properly sheltered LLC. Just saying, that’s a low barrier to overcome for any company turning modest revenue.

You are lucky. Over here, it's rather over 2.5k€ because of the accountants, notaries and state taking good care of themselves...

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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> If there's a good alternative never use Google anything. Brave instead of Chrome. Duck Duck Go instead of Google. Proton Mail instead of Gmail. The only thing I haven't been able to replace is YouTube. That's a tricky one because it's the content creators that keep me locked into it.

Many content creators are starting to move to a Patreon+Twitch model, in addition to YouTube.

Twitch isn't much better than YouTube when it comes to arbitrary bans.

Their top streamers can literally spread their asshole on camera and get a 3 day ban. All this while normal streamers can get permanently banned for any small offence.

Vimeo or Floatplane seems to be the way to go, depending whether you want to be subscriber-only or have free viewers too.

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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post #96

Also teach people to use and prefer F-Droid over Google Play when possible, and make your open source app available on it: - no obscure ban for application vendors - no mandatory account for installing apps and from which you can be banned - no user tracking If you don't like vendor lock-ins and its consequences, push for the alternatives.

Is it feasible for anyone attempting to make an app paid in some form? Would they accept any form of ads or requiring login into a paid account? Note that F-Droid often has build issues, with app version on F-Droid lagging months behind actually released version.

Requiring a paid login is certainly fine as long as the client application is entirely free software.

Ads are probably fine if they are shown using free software but will be marked as an anti-feature. Same for tracking.

In app payment is probably fine too, and will not be subject to a 30% fee or something.

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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> - Your Amazon shopping account and your AWS account should definitely not be the same account. My Amazon account has been locked for a few days now because I tried to buy a friend a gift card, and I can't even access my AWS account at all. Thankfully all I have on there currently is some old backups in S3, but I previously used AWS for some projects and this could've been a fucking disaster. I tried to buy an Amazo…

I've just had a similar experience with ebay. About 75% of the times I log on to ebay, (no exaggeration, I only purchase something a few times a year and this happens almost every time), my account gets locked for suspected unauthorised access and I'm forced to reset my password. I have a static IP, and only ever use the same two devices. I have a strong unique password. I spent 15 minutes on the phone with their acc…

I had this same issue with "suspicious activity" many years ago, and I had to call a US number to have it sorted. Though I did have it sorted.

They keep spamming me with the meaningless "help us protect your account" emails tho. The kind with a lock icon and zero useful information. I set up a rule to auto-delete those.

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

#188
As a small-time indie app developer, enabling ads was more trouble than it's worth...

Because I have so little traffic, I'm exposed to more ad-fraud and false clicks from competitors.

I shut off all ads on my apps for now, and my goal changed form making money to acquiring users

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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I keep reading about all of these people who got their Google accounts nuked, both business and personal, and keep wondering how there hasn't been a class-action lawsuit yet. Their marketing says "your data in the cloud, safe", but then uploading a single copyrighted movie to GDrive (even if you don't share it) can result in not only losing access to all your other unrelated files, but also emails, app purchases, etc…

If they're banning a free account and you haven't suffered any monetary loss I doubt if the court will take kindly to its time being wasted with a case like this. Any argument about data loss would be put back on you with "back up better next time"

That makes me wonder if Google has a whitelist of accounts, never to ban unless via manual intervention. Kind of like how Trump was not banned for years from Twitter despite breaking their policies multiple times.

This way, Google can keep the general muck banned but the actual troublemakers or those capacity for such will stay up.

Re: Google can ban your Android app if they think you’ve clicked on your own ads

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Can confirm this solid advice. Even at a mega-scale social games publisher like Zynga, we had to deal with automated bans all the time. That's why at one point we used an avatar for each game that was separately managed and was basically a separate identity with a separate bank account with a holding company etc. - Invent an avatar that has their own profile, residence, birth date, gender etc. - Use separate email ad…

How do you make an avatar with a bank account?

Many fintech banks do give you the option to open up separate accounts with individual bank account numbers quickly and hassle-free, e.g. bunq.
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