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Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Post by sol_invictus »

redisman wrote: post #88
klelatti wrote: post #33

Joe who? Seriously, I think that there are a number of reasons why this won't pan out as predicted: - There aren't really any tent-pole, must listen podcasts. They thought Joe Rogan was one but I'm hearing a lot of people have stopped listening to him on Spotify (I have). - Spotify (and others) don't have the money to buy out the whole podcast ecosystem and many podcast makers I think would resist going Spotify exclu…

Rogan is fine (if dumb) light entertainment to have in the background. I haven’t listened to a single episode since the move now that it’s not on YouTube anymore. Spotify is also totally awful for podcasts as the UX is for a music player. Besides Lex now fills that hole with a lot more intelligence

People also try to ignore that Spotify did exactly what everybody thought they would do - started watering down the guests and removing so-called controversial episodes.

A big part of the Rogan show charm was the fringe guests, and his audience doesnt care the least for the kind of corporate virtue signalling Spotify is eminating.

In effect, it went from offering somewhat novel things to being plain boring - like everything else you’d expect from a Spotify podcast. I dont find Rogan particularly charismatic as a host either so why listen anymore?

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Post by messo »

hnburnsy wrote: post #63

JRE RSS for any podcast player... https://spotifeed.timdorr.com/4rOoJ6Egrf8K2IrywzwOMk Many thanks to Tim Dorr for creating this, works for any Spotify podcast... https://spotifeed.timdorr.com/

Thanks! I did enjoy the occasional JRE podcast before he sold out to Spotify. This way I can keep an eye on the feed in case he has some interesting folks on.

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Post by post_break »

captn3m0 wrote: post #165
post_break wrote: post #8

Meanwhile I guess apple stopped accepting new podcasts into their database and people are spreading rumors of a new paid podcasts+ subscription model launching today. Which I hope falls flat. Podcasts should be free and accessible to anyone.

Announced: https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/20/apple-unveils-podcast-subs... Press Release: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-leads-the-next-... Quote: >Starting in May, listeners in more than 170 countries and regions can sign up for premium subscriptions that include a variety of benefits curated by creators, such as ad-free listening, access to additional content, and early or exclusive access to new seri…

So now Apple gets 15-30% of the payment to podcasters? Pass

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Post by brownindian »

mrweasel wrote: post #35

Do Spotify actually manage to sell any significant number of subscriptions due to podcasts? Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then. There are so many great podcasts on the open web. Those available on platforms like Spotify always seems to be people with existing celebrity status trying to "ca…

Well, an important reason for spotify to have podcasts is $$. Unlike music producers, Podcasters are not paid by play count. The ones from openweb are not paid at all by Spotify, I am not sure about the ones that have deals with Spotify directly, like Joe Rogan. Anyway, the more time users spend listening to podcasts, the less they have to pay to music producers. which means more EBITDA! And my friend, its all about EBITDA.

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Post by tshaddox »

NopeNotToday wrote: post #173
tshaddox wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently gave Spotify a try for about 8 months but just switched back to Apple Music. My reason for switching back had nothing to do with podcasts, it was simply Spotify's terrible interface that makes it impossible to just browse all the music in your library . But I had also started to notice podcasts infiltrating UI that used to be only music playlists. A few times I even mistakenly clicked on a podcast thinking…

I dont think Spotify cares about the 0.1% of users that bring their own MP3s. It's a shrinking market. The growth is all the people who never even heard of an EmPeaThree. I think back when I ripped my 350+ CDs to FLAC. In retrospect, it wasn't worth it.

I didn’t even try to upload my own songs. I just want to add stuff to my library and then be able to browse everything in my library by artist and album. On the iPhone app, this is impossible, which is absolutely baffling.

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Post by rchaud »

function_seven wrote: post #154
rchaud wrote: post #149

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How about montonony and repetition? There are > 1000 episodes of JRE, each 1-3 hours long. An enormous amount of repetition results from this. I have watched less than 50 episodes and I know I have to FFWD when Rogan starts talking about divorce laws in California, using the same example of one unnamed friend who lost everything to his ex-wife. Podcasts with other comedians are unlistenable due to the constant navel-…

> Podcasts with other comedians are unlistenable due to the constant navel-gazing about The Comedy Store and cancel culture. Yup. One notable exception to this is Bill Burr. I'll listen to any of those because Bill doesn't put up with it.

Yes, I have noticed that as well. But Bill Burr is a significantly higher profile guest than the usual comedians whose careers revolve around the LA/Southern Calif area.

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Post by vorticalbox »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #135
devoutsalsa wrote: post #94

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Not very related... The reason I canceled Spotify Account is because I couldn’t downvote songs in a playlist. The music suggestions for some artists were horrible, and I couldn’t opt out of them.

What's losing my interest more and more is that their music recommendations are terrible, rarely match my taste... And, uh, I wish there was an easier way for me to just browse music by category. I just want to see all the new releases under electronic music and browse through them quickly. I don't need to be spoon-fed things as part of "discover weekly". Also, the Spotify Chromecast integration is utter shit. It has…

> What's losing my interest more and more is that their music recommendations are terrible, rarely match my taste...

I found a lot of the release radar and other recommendations are spot on and I end up liking a lot of the songs it suggests.

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Post by zouhair »

Lendal wrote: post #76
mrweasel wrote: post #35

Do Spotify actually manage to sell any significant number of subscriptions due to podcasts? Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then. There are so many great podcasts on the open web. Those available on platforms like Spotify always seems to be people with existing celebrity status trying to "ca…

No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts. See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provid…

Spotify is also not good as a music player. You have no real control.

Re: Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020)

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Post by truth_ »

StavrosK wrote: post #45
ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit I'm a podcast novice, but what player are you using and what does it offer beyond Spotify? I find, download, and play podcasts through Spotify without issues, and the few features I need (speed adjustment, offline access, and show notes/links) are all available on Spotify. If there is a better way to listen, I'd love to hear about it.

I use Pocket Casts. I just like it a lot, and I don't want to switch because it does everything I need. Spotify seems like it wouldn't be as configurable, but I haven't even felt the need to check. Plus, I don't like a monoculture.

I use Podbean coupled with Pocket Casts. They do everything I need. These apps are really useful.

Also, there are only so many things that you expect from a Podcast app-

- Does not have ads. (Some banner ads are okay) - Offers download in external storage - Has bookmarking capabilities - Offers all the titles I listen to - Saves data associated with an email address

There. Simple. Don't want anything more.

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