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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by krona »

alkonaut wrote: post #171
fareesh wrote: post #138

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Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

What's the "bullying" here exactly? Removing Alex Jones episodes?

Presumably Spotify employees bullying their colleagues and employer with sanctimonious moralistic arguments such as harm avoidance.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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sky_rw wrote: post #157
nickysielicki wrote: post #125

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Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-tra... > One of the submitted questions was "Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" Another was “Why has Spotify chosen to ignore Spectrum ERG's guidance about transphobic content in the JRE catalog?,” referring to a group of Spotify work…

"LGBTQAI+/ally" at some point we are going to need an abbreviation for this abbreviation.

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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by paxys »

patorjk wrote: post #57
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear. 42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I ca…

He signed a $100M contract. It's pretty clear that he understood.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Barrin92 »

hattmall wrote: post #170
Barrin92 wrote: post #155

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>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Removing random episodes offering no reasoning is tyrannical. It being "their platform" is a non-statement as that's the only place they can be tyrants.

No, it's not. It's about as tyrannical as a chef deciding what meals she serves in her own restaurant. While we're on the topic of Western civilization, people deciding what they do with their own property in their private businesses is actually the basis of Western civilization, in contrast to the apparently now mainstream take that they ought to be compelled to host something they don't want to host.

A tyrant is someone who puts dissidents up against the wall and puts a bullet in their head, not a streaming platform deciding what they want to stream.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by alkonaut »

patorjk wrote: post #57
basisword wrote: post #13

>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.

Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear. 42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I ca…

> I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to

I'm also a grown adult. I can stop paying money to those that host content with Alex Jones (and indirectly basically pay Alex Jones). Not sure I'm representative or part of a larger group than those that want to pay Spotify to hear Alex Jones. Hard to say.

> If they find so much of the show unpalatable, why did they make the deal in the first place?

Completely agree. That said, this is 2% of the content. There is some fraction of the content that makes sense to cut out. It could be zero or one episode, or 2% or half of them. But there is a point where the trouble they get into on some level is just larger than the gain. And I think they just played it safe here.

Also, when other outlets (Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, whatever) ban something or someone, it becomes even less comfortable to keep them on. So it's pretty understandable I think.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by vladTheInhaler »

snicksnak wrote: post #96
nickysielicki wrote: post #86

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It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote.

But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by paxys »

Don't know why Joe Rogan is treated like some free-speech messiah and Spotify the villain. If he was really that adamant on getting his message out there he would have kept his podcast free. Instead he chose a $100M payday (and the associated censorship terms), and here we are.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ljm »

JPKab wrote: post #180
ljm wrote: post #140

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I heard second hand that the folks working at Spotify were incredibly unhappy about this Joe Rogan deal, and one of the reasons for that was because leadership steamrolled over any concerns they had. And there were many. I don't really know who this guy is or why you'd spend 100 million on him to secure a deal. But he's walking away with that money and Spotify is left with the infighting. They fucked themselves over…

The only reason I have a Spotify account is for Joe Rogan's podcast. I'm a Youtube premium member, so all the music I need comes from Google, except for Joe Rogan. He's a pro weed, universal health care loving, self-described left of center guy big in the MMA and stand-up comedy circles. He now has the world's most popular podcast, but because he frequently has guests who are right wing, despite debating them about t…

> Spotify exists to make investors money by creating value for the listeners.

Okay, sure.

> [...the rest of the post...]

I don't see how this connects.

> your opinions and the opinions of the employees don't matter

But your opinion does? It must matter to you, since you spent a few paragraphs on it.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by tayo42 »

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #135
readflaggedcomm wrote: post #97

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Podcast presenting problematic ideas seriously persuade more effectively, like non-fiction contrasted with fiction.

So you believe that a podcast episode that is listened to once by a user is more likely to have an influence and be "problematic" than a song that is listened to daily and memorized?

What songs have caused a problem? I've been hearing how music is dangerous my whole life, Eminem, Marilyn Manson even Britney spears yet society hasn't fallen. People are unable to think critically about misleading arguments put out by manipulative internet talkers

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nbardy »

markdown wrote: post #161
cicero wrote: post #60

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So they appear to have mutually agreed to remove content to conform to the prevailing pressure to restrict public discourse to only politically correct content. While it is certainly their right to make any business arrangement they want, it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world, whether it be through unilateral cancelation or mutual agreement for the sake of money.

> it is distressing that open conversation continues to shrink in our world Are you sure about that? When has talk about Bigfoot, moon landing conspiracies, the government turning frogs gay, and other such nonsense been welcome in "open conversation"?

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