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Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Life is one big war. Just because you live in a pleasant neighbourhood, doesn't mean there are no malevolent people in the world...

Even if we assume military is not only necessary, but actually good , wouldn't there still be a point where a society spends too much on it's military and everything goes to shables because of it? Let's assume the US would reach this point — how would it look from the inside? Would the downfall happen fast or would it spawn decades? What if we are already in it? The US could spend half of what it currently spends on…

> The US could spend half of what it currently spends on the military and still be twice as powerful in terms of military force as the rest of the world combined. I'd argue investing a chunk of that money in domestic infrastructure, healthcare, poverty and a chunk of it in diplomacy would give you a more powerful US in two decades than if you would raise military spending even more.

I broadly agree that we should spend less on our military, but this is untrue on a couple major counts.

Firstly, the US doesn't outspend the rest of the world combined. This is a talking point that started going viral some time in the early 2010's (I think it was on some TV show?), but the statistic is misleading because it compares nominal dollar amounts rather than PPP adjusted dollars. When you do that adjustment, the next 2 countries combined outspend the US[1]. This is important because (1) the personnel in each country are paid in the wages commensurate the cost-of-living of the home country (e.g. the wage for a Chinese soldier is 1/10 the wage of an American soldier in nominal dollars), and (2) military goods aren't global commodities; the US can't procure its equipment from China like it does every other good, it has to procure them either domestically or from allies which are typically high purchasing power countries. A single nominal US dollar goes a lot further in China's or India's military than it does in the US's, and that needs to be accounted for in these comparisons. PPP adjustment isn't perfect in this context, but it's much less wrong and vulnerable to low hanging fruit criticism than simply using nominal amounts.

Secondly, I think the percentage of the Federal budget that's spent on the military is overstated. It's not even close to being the biggest line item; it accounts for 15% of the Federal budget[2], and much much lower than that (about 8%) when you look at military spending as a percentage of total government expenditure across all levels of government. The lion's share of spending today is already healthcare and welfare.

Thirdly, I think that the actual cost of healthcare et al are understated; in FY2019 the US government spent $676 billion on Defense, while the cost of healthcare every year by most estimates amounts to $3 trillion per year. Even if you were to divert the entire military budget to healthcare, you'd have to find $2T somewhere.

While I agree that we should spend less on fighting and war (because I dislike fighting and war), military spending is a convenient scapegoat for other problems, the solutions for which are not so simple.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/gijt81/oc_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget#/...

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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His take is a little cyclical, but it's not wrong necessarily. For every set of PVS-14s there were 3 or 4 little pieces of "tech" that were utterly useless.

Not just useless, but a major PITA when the next inventory rolls around and you have to find the individual sub-components of that "tech" when no one has any idea of what it looks like because it's never been used and ultimately serves no purpose. Then if it somehow falls through the cracks, it's on the commanders shoulders to pay for that piece of high-speed unused tech that the lobbyist swore would revolutionize th…

I actually met some of the contractors who were "in-country", as they called it, to train and re-train folks on how to use all these sensors. While I was at KAF, I had dinner with one of them and very clearly explained that the equipment he was representing was completely useless to my platoon and me and the rest of the PLs in the company ordered our guys to not worry about it and toss it back in the container. He was fully aware of the feedback that infantry folks had for this stuff, which was really eyeopening to me for how the defense contracting world really works.

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I don't look like a hippie, but I totally subscribe to the idea of "make love, not war". I imagine what the possibilities would be if we funded general non-military projects with the kind of money that goes into the military. Trillions have been spent on wars or war preparation, and of course the net result is worsening for humanity. What if instead that money were spend on helping humanity? Do we really need a confl…

> I don't look like a hippie, but I totally subscribe to the idea of "make love, not war".

I used to be exactly like this. Republicans being bad faith actors and then asking democrats for unity is a key example to me of why war is inevitable and it's better to have all the power than no power. You cannot convince these people out of their delusions. We share real space, but have two mutually exclusive realities. We can't agree on masks, we can't agree on vaccinations. We can't agree that science is a higher authority than religious leaders. Half of America was almost "dominated" rather than compromised with. Our own cities were referred to as "battlespaces" and our own people were combatants. The democrats tried to make love (compromise) but failed to prepare for war.

Then on the macro scale, I look at situations like China. China has no problem abusing human rights or acting imperialistically. America built business in china. America thought China would democratize, educate their citizens, and improve human rights abuses as its prosperity went up. In reality power was ceded and now we have both less overall peace and an ambitious highly nationalistic enemy with a weak moral system. Unless China deals with Xi and its nationalism, war is likely inevitable.

How many conversations online have you run into where a person's stance is completely unalterable and a mutual understanding cannot be reached? Expand that idea to world politics. Pretend the issue isn't something trivial, but instead global warming or genocide. Who's side ends up being right? The one with more power.

When you live in a moral system that says "do unto others as you would have done to you," it's easy to fall into the idea of make love, not war... But there are many moral systems, competing on the global stage. "Might makes right" is a moral system, "my culture above all others" is a moral system, "I will do anything to feed myself" is a moral system, "everyone should be made 'equal'" is a moral system, "the most effective competitor should win everything" is a moral system, "what my pastor says is the truth" is a moral system, "the emperor is the incarnation of gods will" is a moral system.

You look at all the resources spent on military and ask "what's the opportunity cost." What's the opportunity cost of losing a war? What's the opportunity cost of ceding power? What's the opportunity cost of competing hegemonies?

The prisoners dilemma is a dilemma. Cooperate is not always the best answer, and if you always choose cooperate when your opponent is defecting, you will lose.

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Anyone work this technology and can talk about it (without breaking whatever NDA of course)? I'm a former infantryman and ... let's just say I'm _extremely_ skeptical of this kind of technology for all but the most niche use-cases (think, AR for the driver in the hole of the truck). Obviously for pilots stuff similar to this has been around for a while, but the article is not really clear about how exactly this would…

Is used for me in 10 years when it all trickles down. I can’t wait.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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I don't look like a hippie, but I totally subscribe to the idea of "make love, not war". I imagine what the possibilities would be if we funded general non-military projects with the kind of money that goes into the military. Trillions have been spent on wars or war preparation, and of course the net result is worsening for humanity. What if instead that money were spend on helping humanity? Do we really need a confl…

Speaking to the current realities in the United States and not your general sentiment, $22B is nothing relative to the federal budget. Congress is getting set to spend $3 trillion dollars in much the manner you've requested. Infrastructure, green technology, etc. It really seems like the government is doing exactly what you want

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... 4x as many people, roughly 1/3rd of the budget.

Stuff is cheaper in China too.

That's a pretty interesting point! I hadn't ever really considered how cost of living or cost of goods differences in different nations would impact a graph like that.

I'm a bit skeptical that many military supplies (e.g. the cost of a grenade or of a standard issue rifle with comparable specs) vary dramatically, but personnel wages, basic supplies, housing, repairs, etc. all probably have a big impact.

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While I am not a fan of enormous military spending, any improvement on necessary targeting that possibly avoids frightened little girls running down roads with their clothes blown off after indiscriminate napalm strikes gets my agreement.

This improvement has seen us hitting the targets like ISIS fighters accurately, rather than flattening the whole city they happened to be in. I'm not in favour of war at all, but as it seems it isn't going away any time soon, more effective and accurate targeting seems to be the way to go.

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How well does your idea work in practice if we look at examples from history? Before the Second World War Lloyd George tried to make love not war with Germany. How did that end up? Sometimes the bad people are just absolutely intent on fucking you up no matter what and you need to be able to defend yourself.

That is a gross over-simplification but it is based in a popular narrative so I don't blame you for it. The men who tried to avert WWII are mocked and shunned without any thought for the context they occupied. The popular consensuse after WWI was that ambitious elites had funelled the world into war seeking the glory of a previous age. And in the end, average people paid a terrible cost. Due to their ignorance of the…

With the situation that we had at the time, what do you think the Allies should have done as Hitler marched into Poland?

Declared war?

Or offered to make love?

Sometimes you need to be prepared to say 'no' and back it up with a stick. If you've only invested in 'love' what the fuck are you going to do now?

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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good for R&D I suppose

Private, patented R&D which benefits a single trillion-dollar corporation funded by public dollars. Too common in this country sadly.

I own MSFT shares, why don’t you?

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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It's not zero-sum. Having a strong military allows you to pursue your (peaceful) interests without interference from others who disagree with your agenda.

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison Yes but spending as much as the next 10 countries combined is not needed.

Debatable. R&D funding, job creation (including at overseas bases and embassies), massive economic benefits from being the world reserve currency, etc.
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