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Re: The Deno Company

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>>> Our investors are Dan Scholnick from Four Rivers Ventures, Guillermo from Rauch Capital, Lee Jacobs from Long Journey Ventures, the Mozilla Corporation, Shasta Ventures, and our long-time collaborator Ben Noordhuis.

Why is the Mozilla Corporation an investor in a Chrome based technology startup ?

Re: The Deno Company

#182
I hope that Deno can maximize TS performance. Right now they compile TS internally, but especially with this new financially-backed focus I hope that they can perhaps modify V8 or fork it to create a TS engine that takes advantage of type information for optimization. That's really what's needed; in a "no implicit any" application performance would near native.

Also, it's nice that they're using Tokio for the HTTP server instead of a JS implementation (from what I understand). I want to see Deno near the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks.

Re: The Deno Company

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Happy to see Deno get some financial backing! I've been building my new multiplayer games website [1] with Deno over the last 4 months and apart from some minor growing pains, it's been a joy to use. The lack of unnecessary package management, and the TypeScript-by-default approach makes Web dev much nicer. We're also using TypeScript on the client-side, relying on VSCode for error reporting. We use sucrase to strip…

Peeking at sparks.land I see that you're serving .ts files, I assume that's what you mean by using sucrase, you're transpiling "live" instead of building/deploying bundles offline? I notice your script files are all pretty small, have you run into any upper limits on performance or scalability so far with this approach?

Correct! In production we've got Cloudflare in the middle, so we're only using sucrase on-the-fly for each .ts file during development. So far it's unnoticeable in terms of loading times.

> I notice your script files are all pretty small, have you run into any upper limits on performance or scalability so far with this approach?

Not that I can tell. But if we need to, we can always do a minified bundle in production later on. So far it's just nice to not have to even think about it!

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Unfortunately Deno gave up on their most unique differentiator, the TS [runtime].

No we didn't?! Where did you get this info from? Deno is made to work with TypeScript out of the box. The Deno Standard Library is written in TypeScript: https://deno.land/std . Most userland modules are TypeScript too.

Wasn't a TypeScript runtime the original Deno selling point? Didn't the project have to pivot away from that?

Re: The Deno Company

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>>> Our investors are Dan Scholnick from Four Rivers Ventures, Guillermo from Rauch Capital, Lee Jacobs from Long Journey Ventures, the Mozilla Corporation, Shasta Ventures, and our long-time collaborator Ben Noordhuis. Why is the Mozilla Corporation an investor in a Chrome based technology startup ?

Well, Deno is using Rust extensively and V8 is the only "Chrome" part.

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#186

I have never used Deno, but I just wanted to say that I really love the branding and graphics on the website, especially https://deno.com/deploy

I love the Deno dinosaur. Side note: I wish it were "deno" (uncapitalized). Just a stylistic annoyance for me.

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> If Deno is still completely free in 5 years, I'll give you $500. You up for that? Heck, sign me up. Who wouldn't be up for that? What's the downside supposed to be?

It wasn’t clear enough that if it isn’t, you’ll be expected to give me $500?

Maybe if you had included that in the terms of the bet.

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> Or if it just exists because JavaScript developers don’t want to learn something new. It's probably a big reason. But if you think about it from the other angle... you don't want to learn Javascript, which would be new to you :-)

Touché. I will admit I am resistant to learning JS. Part of this is that it seems like no one actually "likes" to program in it, they just have to because it is so ubiquitous. But I guess that just goes back to the Bjarne Stroustrup quote: "There are two kinds of programming languages: The ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses."

I love it, but I use Typescript, which has a few niceties (e.g., stronger typing) beyond modern JS.

Re: The Deno Company

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> Many are more familiar with the Chrome DevTools console than they are with a Unix command-line prompt. More familiar with WebSockets than BSD sockets, MDN than man pages. Bash and Zsh scripts calling into native code will never go away. But JavaScript and TypeScript scripts calling into WebAssembly code will be increasingly common. Many developers, we think, prefer web-first abstraction layers. Every time I read so…

> Or if it just exists because JavaScript developers don’t want to learn something new. It's probably a big reason. But if you think about it from the other angle... you don't want to learn Javascript, which would be new to you :-)

I learned JS when it first showed up. Still write backend servers in C++ and JS libraries to interact with those servers from a browser.
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