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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

gjs278 wrote: post #69
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #20

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That would still be your free will. You'd still be presented with a choice: A) Don't do the thing you don't want to (Vaccination) - or - B) Don't do the thing that having a vaccination would let you do. That's still freedom of choice - you're free to decide what you want more. Having constraints on you isn't removing your free will.

that’s barely freedom of choice. a robber pulling a gun on you and saying your money or your life isn’t what any reasonable person interprets as free will. free will would be not going to jail or being banned from society if you chose not to take the vaccine.

Is there any such discussion about being banned from society or going to jail? That seems incredibly hyperbolic. What I've heard is discussions of things like cruises and international travel to certain destination, which are entirely optional activities.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by sunopener »

rootusrootus wrote: post #121
mrkramer wrote: post #73

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I'm not a lawyer but am I guilty because I want my human rights and my freedom of choice? Should I blame you or any other person of spreading STDs for example? Or any other disease without intent or knowledge? I welcome any legal advice because I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone.

> I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone. I feel the same way when I'm doing 150mph down the highway. And yet...

You feel the same way when your having a conscious experience. There's no way I could hurt someone by being conscious... is there?

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by anoonmoose »

ghoward wrote: post #175
_zn02 wrote: post #148

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Question- since there are plenty of vaccines that are already mandatory for various things in the US, shouldn't you already be dying for your rights?

Not the GP, but those laws are unconstitutional. If we don't assert our rights, we will lose them. "Those who will give up liberty for security [from a virus] will lose both."

not only are you not the GP, you also didn't and can't answer my question

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by selimthegrim »

mrkramer wrote: post #173
Omnitaus wrote: post #147

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I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. Hope you don't use glasses, take antibiotics, receive surgery, or benefit otherwise from the million and one things humans have invented so as to not deal with random selection dependent on changing external stimuli

>I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. I'm not against vaccination I'm against mandatory vaccination and limiting my human rights if I don't vaccinate. Nobody will prevent you from visiting a country if you don't use glasses, take antibiotics or anything else you mentioned. I never visited Africa but I h…

I guess you're against sovereignty of nations other than your own? Plus how are they going to buy your country's vaccine if you/your countrymen won't take it?

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by sunopener »

Omnitaus wrote: post #147
mrkramer wrote: post #142

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If you kill somebody you will be charged for involuntary manslaughter or constructive manslaughter depending on what speed limit was but if I sit next to you unvaccinated in a waiting room should I be charged as well?

I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. Hope you don't use glasses, take antibiotics, receive surgery, or benefit otherwise from the million and one things humans have invented so as to not deal with random selection dependent on changing external stimuli

> weakest link Oh boy, oh boy... at what point do we get to admit we're fascists?!?!

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by Verdex »

hinkley wrote: post #122
insickness wrote: post #2

"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither…

There's a concept in domestication that it's not always clear in a symbiotic relationship as to which party is in 'control' of the relationship, especially when one party gets a huge boost in reproductive rates from the other. Did humans domesticate dogs, or did dogs domesticate humans? Viruses are specialized. They won't attack aliens. Bacteria might. It's the fungi in many respects that are the masters of this plan…

This is one of the things that I like about the expanse series. When people first start moving out to alien ecosystems, they specifically go into how alien viruses etc are probably not going to be a problem. The metaphor they use is "mining" basically. Where they're not concerned that people will get infected, but they're concerned that some organism will find out that people are full of some resource that the organism can use.

And in fact they bump into some sort of algae that lives in the atmosphere that really likes the saline mixture that makes up most of the liquid in our bodies.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by _joel »

ghoward wrote: post #174
_joel wrote: post #168

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But they are vastly less likely to shed if they have been vaccinated, therefore less transmission. https://theconversation.com/can-vaccinated-people-still-spre...

That article gave no numbers. It made a claim and didn't back it up.

There's links in the article to Scientific American which also had papers from October 2020.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by junon »

Vrondi wrote: post #78
shadowofneptune wrote: post #52

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HG Wells would have been well aware of this, being an athiest of a kind we'd consider close to New Athiesm nowadays.

Yeah, you'd almost think he was writing in the voice of a fictional character or something bizarre like that.

Or that God was maybe a writing device instead of literally referring to God.

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Post by hanche »

techrat wrote: post #170
gher-shyu3i wrote: post #101

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Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

Is the theory of gravity still something to be considered only a theory?

A theory, yes. Those who say “only a theory” tend to confuse theory with hypothesis, which is much looser. A theory is a coherent set of principles serving to explain a range of phenomena. Emphasis on coherent, meaning not only internally consistent, but also consistent with related knowledge. The road from hypothesis to theory can be long and tortuous.
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