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All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by sneak »

tim333 wrote: post #169
sneak wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't buy the art, they bought an NFT that represents a hash of the file containing all of the art in question. This doesn't convey any property rights to the art's copyright, unless the purchase also included those separately from the NFT, which, of course, happens all of the time without the NFT silliness and doesn't require NFTs at all.

I think in this case they did get property rights: >NFT carries no rights, express or implied, other than property rights for the lot (specifically, digital artwork tokenized by the NFT.. https://www.christies.com/pdf/onlineonly/ECOMMERCE%20CONDITI... So no rights apart from the property rights (Christies T&Cs)

The lot was the NFT. I don't believe that the text you quoted indicates that they get ownership of the copyright of the art. The art wasn't auctioned, the NFT was.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by codeulike »

tim333 wrote: post #177
codeulike wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any situation where money meets art doesn't make any sense. Is the original of a Banksy painting any nicer to look at than a copy? Is a rare vinyl pressing of a record any nicer to listen to than an mp3 you can download for free?

Well a different sort of sense. Price is not just about how nice something is - it's about things like supply and demand too. There is a limited supply of original Banksys and an infinite supply of copies.

But why is the original special? Just because people choose to believe that it is.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by tablespoon »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #29
tablespoon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His work will be discussed long after we’ve become worm farmers. Perhaps, but likely as a footnote to the footnote that was NFT mania, not as an artist in his own right.

I think that was intended as sarcasm

> I think that was intended as sarcasm

It's really hard to tell with NFTs, sometimes.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by tablespoon »

incrudible wrote: post #73
pjc50 wrote: post #5

"We didn't need a preview": the content of the art isn't important. Like most NFTs, it's just a url that you can sign a hash of for dollars. What's more interesting is the allegation that this is "tape painting": sold to an accomplice for the purpose of promoting the NFT "art" market.

> What's more interesting is the allegation that this is "tape painting": sold to an accomplice for the purpose of promoting the NFT "art" market. That's literally how the non-digital art market works, as well.

> That's literally how the non-digital art market works, as well.

Though there's a fraction of the non-digital art market that doesn't work like that. For NFTs, I wouldn't be surprised if "painting the tape" was pretty much the whole thing.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by belval »

I personally gave up on understanding and forming an opinion on modern art because I don't get it. That being said a lot of things from the article (written by an actual critic) seem mostly to be complaining about political things or saying that some of the drawing are low quality.

I don't see it. This is 11 years of evolution and development of someone's art, it is cringe because when you don't cherrypick your best work you always end up bad or even cringy but that's also part of the story that this piece tells.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by throwaway284534 » 

  “By posting the results online I’m ‘less’ likely to throw down a big pile of ass-shit,” the artist explains of the impetus behind the daily creative exercise on his website, “even though most of the time I still do because I suck ass.”
Whether or not Beeple actually believes his work is bad isn’t the only problem I have with the artist. This kind of two faced self-depreciation is nauseating, especially coming from someone with access to extremely expensive design tools that most only dream of wielding. 3D modeling software like Cinema 4K is as pricey as the name implies. And yet Beeple comes online each day, acting like he’s an amateur, hat in hand, “god I’m such trash!”

I understand that art shouldn’t be solely be judged by the medium. It’s just that young artists see this kind of high fidelity output and get the impression that their art must be even worse if this isn’t good enough. IMO the only thing amateur about Beeple is his attitude.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by UncleMeat »

Grustaf wrote: post #174
UncleMeat wrote: post #160

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You can find largely equivalent content and messaging in political comics sections of a daily newspaper. What norms is this work challenging?

Apparently the author of this article felt that he challenged PC norms.

Not really. The author points out some misogyny in the work. That's a pretty common analysis point and is certainly not sufficient to "cancel" an artist (de Kooning is extremely famous and his pieces sell for gazillions despite some criticism here). That is different than "challenging PC norms".

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

cwkoss wrote: post #39
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people are just confused. Like, I didn’t know if who Beeple was and after seeing their work I can say it’s pretty offensive. So why is it worth anything? Is it because it’s a great work of art or did somebody with too much money take a gamble on Vaporware?

What about the art offended you?

Did you read the article? Sexist, racist, and bigoted content.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by strogonoff »

strogonoff wrote: post #71
thatswrong0 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly. You can tell based on the complete lack of success and following they've had, plus some amateur / shitty work they did in the past.

Side note: in this case, ample following does not necessarily imply art value. It’s easy to get stuck in wanting to create but fearing your art will not be as good as what pro artists produce, so you procrastinate on it forever. Folks start dailies (beeple is far from the only one) to force themselves to improve quality through sheer quantity. Other folks follow them to get inspired, and a major component of that is…

(To clarify, I don’t mean to say that any artist doing dailies is ultimately mediocre, just the very idea behind this method is such that you do one per day and can’t strive for perfection.)
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