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100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by fulafel »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #179
new_realist wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don’t you move to 5G now?

Most of America doesn't have true (mm wave) 5g. About 1/3 of America lacks "5g" entirely. Assuming one does have access it's not financially prudent for most households to buy into 5g when the caps are as low as 100gb/mo. https://www.androidauthority.com/where-is-5g-available-in-th...

Nitpick: mm-wave is just one of the dozen things that are in the 5G cornucopia of random technologies, it's not more or less "true 5G" than eg 5G edge computing.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by gonehome »

Panino wrote: post #3

> The funding is going to a mix of cable, fiber, and fixed wireless providers, plus SpaceX's Starlink satellite network. I think cable providers should be left out. They were already gifted many billions of dollars in the past for this same basic purpose but they pocketed the money. They can just use the free money they've already been given. Instead, the funding should go to existing munipical fiber ISPs to expand t…

With Starlink I think the competition will get more real for them.

In the rare markets with actual competition the shitty cable companies provide at least okay service. In Palo Alto I can get 1gbps down/35mbps up on Comcast for $89 (with 1TB data cap I have to pay $50 extra to remove).

That's not too bad.

They also offer a 2gbps down and up service called gigabit pro, but it requires installation and it's pretty expensive: https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/fs6un2/comc.... It's also hard to get because the reps on the phone are not well trained and don't know about it.

This is only because there are a few internet options here. Where I grew up there is one provider (Spectrum, was Time Warner, and Adelphia before that), the service is bad and the price is at least double.

I recently moved to SF and I'm in a newer building with Google Fiber Webpass, it's 1gbps down and up with no cap for $57/month - it's awesome.

The worst part about Comcast (ignoring the 35mbps up which is pretty bad) is everything around the service. Their website is extremely hostile. It's impossible to do anything online. Their pricing is heavily obscured. They push shitty TV packages I don't want or care about. It's hard to cancel without going through retention.

Google Webpass? I signed up online in 5min, connected my own equipment and was good to go.

Hopefully with real competition the old services will either get competitive or die. I don't really care which.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by martin_bech »

pottertheotter wrote: post #111
martin_bech wrote: post #91

Hi from the developed world.. just checked, the slowest available broadband here is 200Mpbs/20Mpbs. Default is 200/200, I and most people I know went with 1000/1000Mpbs.

It is that way in some areas that have competition, but not many. I'm curious where you are at? And how much is 1000/1000 per month?

Denmark, my isp is 40usd pr month 1000/1000Mpbs.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by fomine3 »

morpheos137 wrote: post #147

I would say very few residential customers need more than 10Mbps upload. For 100Mbps you could run about 50 Zooms simultaneously. Who does that? Unless you are massively uploading (likely illegal content) who needs greater than 10Mbps upstream at home?

Then we lose ability to develop new services that requires uplink bandwidth. Even now, there are services that need such bandwidth like cloud storages, YouTube.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by martin_bech »

luxuryballs wrote: post #151
martin_bech wrote: post #91

Hi from the developed world.. just checked, the slowest available broadband here is 200Mpbs/20Mpbs. Default is 200/200, I and most people I know went with 1000/1000Mpbs.

how close together is everything in your lands?

Denmark its a mix of Urban and rural, but basicly anywhere is well connected, i have 500/500Mpbs in my vacation house, thats basicly on farm land.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by manquer »

lmilcin wrote: post #137

I live in Poland and I am BAFFLED at how bad internet in US, supposedly one of the most developed countries on Earth, is. I have commercial (ie high priority), 600Mbit/120Mbit broadband with extremely stable (under 15ms, over 99% of th time) round trip to most of the Poland, for equivalent of 20 USD per month. I know its not the same everywhere in Poland, but consider I also have three mobile internet plans. One of t…

Compared to say South Korea or Singapore , Poland could be considered poor.

It is not just developed economies /rich countries only either. I have 1 GBps Fiber for roughly 20 USD a month in Bangalore, India .

Population density has a lot to do with internet speeds more than anything else, EU has roughly half the size and double the population.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by kcb »

lmilcin wrote: post #137

I live in Poland and I am BAFFLED at how bad internet in US, supposedly one of the most developed countries on Earth, is. I have commercial (ie high priority), 600Mbit/120Mbit broadband with extremely stable (under 15ms, over 99% of th time) round trip to most of the Poland, for equivalent of 20 USD per month. I know its not the same everywhere in Poland, but consider I also have three mobile internet plans. One of t…

How bad is it really? I get that there are rural and outlier areas but the average bandwidth is higher in the US than Poland. Maybe I just find it hard to relate, but I and most of the heavily populated areas of the North East have had symmetrical FTTH for 15 years now. We have Gigabit up and down for about $90 USD a month.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by gabereiser »

fulafel wrote: post #181
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of America doesn't have true (mm wave) 5g. About 1/3 of America lacks "5g" entirely. Assuming one does have access it's not financially prudent for most households to buy into 5g when the caps are as low as 100gb/mo. https://www.androidauthority.com/where-is-5g-available-in-th...

Nitpick: mm-wave is just one of the dozen things that are in the 5G cornucopia of random technologies, it's not more or less "true 5G" than eg 5G edge computing.

In America 4>5 so we’ve appropriated “5G” to mean the mm-wave wireless transmission.

There are still large pockets of the US on data caps as low as 10gb. Throttled connections. Asymmetric networks. All so we can be nickel and dimed to death on fees, privilege, bundles, and in some cases double paying for content.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

fulafel wrote: post #181
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of America doesn't have true (mm wave) 5g. About 1/3 of America lacks "5g" entirely. Assuming one does have access it's not financially prudent for most households to buy into 5g when the caps are as low as 100gb/mo. https://www.androidauthority.com/where-is-5g-available-in-th...

Nitpick: mm-wave is just one of the dozen things that are in the 5G cornucopia of random technologies, it's not more or less "true 5G" than eg 5G edge computing.

I specified mm wave because regular 5g is about as good as 4g making the distinction worthless in practice. To actually benefit from 5g and justify the costs you'll need to be in one of the few cities with mm wave and have reasonable data usage agreements, which virtually no America can say they have both AFAIK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Speed

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