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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by tasogare »

rwmj wrote: post #146
emptysongglass wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this legal? Most countries in the world disallow holding more than 2 citizenships. Do these countries know your kids are holding four? If they do not, they need to be informed.

It should be more legal if anything. The problem are countries like Japan/China/Korea which prevent you from holding any other citizenship at all. "Don't tell" is not really an option - if they find out they'll tear up your citizenship which can leave you with a big problem if you are living there or ever want to visit.

That’s wrong in the Japan case. Japan permits its citizens to hold both nationalities when the second one is acquired at birth. Moreover the government doesn’t hunt them in any way. Sources: multiple half-Japanese friends + the web.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by personlurking »

This is a mostly acceptable attempt at laying out lots of information related to the subject at hand, but I found it to be poorly researched, inaccurate in some places and missing a lot of info in others. It's a good enough jumping off point, however.

I've been abroad and living between countries for a decade, and one of my hobbies is researching every way an American can get second citizenship and, in particular, residency. That said, I admit I don't have a lot of knowledge about citizenship by ancestory.

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Post by bullen »

Relocating is not a solution, you need to live sustainably where you are. Use wood for heat, pump water manually and grow/breed/hunt/conserve food yourself. The human made system will crumble surprisingly fast (starting with authority, with which borders really are made) and the only thing we ever made by inspiration from nature (the internet) will survive.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by tasogare »

55555 wrote: post #135
SlavikCA wrote: post #111

I was born in Russia. That's my red passport. My parent moved with us to USA, when I was 18. That's my dark blue passport. When I was working as Software engineer in California, our company got aquired and they asked us to relocate to Canada. I got PR here and soon will have light blue passport here. Personal thoughts: USA citizenship gives me best opportunities and access to best job market. Canada citizenship gives…

A second passport for a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the first, or better yet, an "enemy state", is a literal get-out-of-jail-free card.

If not, having enough money and a musical instrument case may suffice.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by kingosticks »

Scoundreller wrote: post #179
blunte wrote: post #172

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What you get for your US tax money is absolutely not worth having that passport if you have another good passport. I would give that one up (and likely will once I get my second).

Plenty of expats have gotten more US stimulus cheques than they’ve paid in US taxes. But it doesn’t make up for the dozens of hours of paperwork and careful tip-toeing on investments and other garbage. Just an FYI: one hiccup I heard of giving up your US citizenship is that banks didn’t recognize you could be born in USA but not a US citizen.

> Just an FYI: one hiccup I heard of giving up your US citizenship is that banks didn’t recognize you could be born in USA but not a US citizen.

I had this issue just last month with a UK financial institution (Raisin). I tried to explain it but they obviously were not interested. I actually still have my citizenship (I'd love to renounce but that's currently impossible) but I felt it was worth pointing out their policy was unnecessarily discriminative.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by stefan_ »

tonfa wrote: post #141
mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

I hope the kids won't mind having to declare/pay US taxes :)

And hopefully they won't ever need a European bank account, or any other kind of financial service. All I ever signed up for, besides asking for citizenship, also explicitly asked for having US citizenship. Presumably checking that box is the immediate end of the application process.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by mrsaint »

tvanantwerp wrote: post #145
mrsaint wrote: post #118

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There are exceptions to the rule (for reference see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship ). Generally, a lot depends on whether you acquired citizenship by descent or birth, or acquired it by naturalization. Also, there are agreements between countries that you must consider. For example, had Croatia not entered the EU a couple of years ago, it would not have been possible most likely to aquire citize…

My wife is from Hong Kong and we've both got US citizenship. To get HK residency as well as US citizenship, our kids would have to be born in HK. We don't actively live in HK, and your anecdotes are making me wonder how feasible this would actually be within the time frame of maternity leave.

The CBP immigration officer made an exception under the premise that we would expediently apply for the US passport at a local agency during our visit. We were grateful, because of course he could also have sent us back home...

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by shuckles »

josephg wrote: post #134
bitcharmer wrote: post #86

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> A grand total of none of my international friends have anywhere near the wealth, nor earning potential I do, and they never will. It’s an exceedingly large, compounding edge. That's because most of us are not obsessed with wealth. We tend to be satisfied with some level of comfort and security and focus on other things in life. I guess that's a cultural thing. > Everyone knows our healthcare system is asinine. It d…

During the covid crisis I’ve stopped telling my American friends about the situation here in Australia. There’s been some political mud throwing about which state managed it best - but we brought the numbers to zero, and have done it as a nation several times now. Since covid, talking to my friends in the USA about Australia feels like punching down. You might have more earning potential in the US, but I’d much rathe…

I think there is a lot of fundamental attribution error going around when trying to explain relative success at controlling COVID. There are states with little of the infrastructure for public health management you've touted in Australia that have also controlled the disease. There are states with the same infrastructure (e.g. UK) which haven't. Australia is also incomparable to the United States with 1/10th the population, comparably little cross border travel, etc.

My guess is it will be years before we correctly understand exactly what worked or didn't and why.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by tonfa »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #164
tonfa wrote: post #143

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> I keep hearing how I'll just have to swallow a tiny salary compared to SV wages if I move to any EU country, Switzerland included. Did you check e.g. levels.fyi?

That website is next to useless in most of europe. Too few data points and too much noise apart from a few big well known companies.

But for the places with those well known companies it's a good way to check salaries across location. (Which should still be a proxy for overall market)

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by 1996 »

personlurking wrote: post #175
mdasen wrote: post #85

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Spain offers an easier pathway to citizenship for citizens of Ibero-American countries (basically Latin America) and that includes Puerto Rico. The idea is that, if you're an American, you could get PR citizenship status with one year and then Spain would give you citizenship with only two years. You might consider the PR citizenship to not actually be a "citizenship" but merely a residency status (like how you might…

PR citizenship is a thing (ie, a document) that PR will give you after one year, or sooner if you are indeed a Puerto Rican or if you have Puerto Rican parents. But the document will not work in conjunction with the Spain 2-year path to citizenship. To be clear, the PR document says it's possible (for a mainland American), but Spain does not recognize it unless you're Puerto Rican. Source: I tried it and went through…

> Spain does not recognize it unless you're Puerto Rican.

So if you parents aren't from PR, or if you do not speak spanish or what?

> Source: I tried it and went through the process. I'm from mainland US, lived in PR and now live in Spain.

Tell me more about it! I'm thinking about moving to PR if there are more Covid restriction due to the new administration (curfew like in Europe)

I'm also considering Spain.

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