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Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

phatfish wrote: post #135
chordalkeyboard wrote: post #112

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Hi Emily! Thanks for your reply. I’m sorry to hear of your being the victim of harassment and I appreciate your post here clarifying the circumstances. Thank you for your contributions to open source software. Many web users, myself included, rely on free and open source projects for our work and recreation and these products would not exist without the generous contributions of kind and skilled persons such as yours…

Awkward. Somehow I feel you would have been happily piling on with the harassment given the chance.

Consider being less judgmental of strangers in the future, your instincts are off.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by smsm42 »

acdha wrote: post #164
smsm42 wrote: post #147

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As somebody who participated in an open-source project, I know the feeling. Whatever you decide at any decision point, there would be people that would loudly claim only an idiot could do something so obviously stupid. It's tough and sometimes exhausting and discouraging. But I never seen a single case where publicly flipping off people and calling them "haters" and proclaiming you do not care for their concerns (how…

Why is it her job to make a mob happy? She was targeted for nasty treatment and doesn’t owe them anything. It would be nice if there was a way to get those people to start contributing positively to the world but their decision not to do so is their responsibility alone. If this made her feel better after having to put up with that, I’m not going to fault her for it.

It's not her job to make a mob happy. It's also not her job to make users and contributors sad because it looks like she is callously dismissing their concerns and calling them "haters". There are other, better ways to make oneself feel better than making other people feel worse.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by smsm42 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #168
smsm42 wrote: post #134

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I'm not talking about a court-mandated warrant. I'm talking about a friendly chat with a fellow law enforcement person who cordially asks for help - who needs warrants between friends? And you do want to be friends with the law enforcement, because it's a bad enemy to have, aren't they? > It is not their duty to ensure that you can say anything here. I'm not saying it's their duty. I am saying you can't at the same t…

Hmm, are you sure that is legal?

Maybe yes, maybe not, but who cares if nobody ever finds out? And cops are pretty much immune from most illegal acts on the job, once they are sure they are doing the right thing, or can convincingly pretend they were, and once there's no law on the books explicitly, in minute details, prohibiting exactly this particular behavior. That's "qualified immunity". As for the other side, who's going to prosecute them if the law loves them? Private users, who probably can barely afford one hour of lawyer time?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by BlueTemplar »

smsm42 wrote: post #183
BlueTemplar wrote: post #168

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Hmm, are you sure that is legal?

Maybe yes, maybe not, but who cares if nobody ever finds out? And cops are pretty much immune from most illegal acts on the job, once they are sure they are doing the right thing, or can convincingly pretend they were, and once there's no law on the books explicitly, in minute details, prohibiting exactly this particular behavior. That's "qualified immunity". As for the other side, who's going to prosecute them if th…

Wait, what's the point of having anti-'bad cop' laws if they're unenforceable in practice ?

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by oAlbe »

johncessna wrote: post #18

>For someone who thought of themselves as an empathetic dev overworking myself FOR the end users and product, this hurt and I’m not sure I ever really recovered. I think everyone remembers the time when they learned it's not worth it to work insane hours to make some sort of launch just so you get to do it all over again in 6 months. I worked 22 straight days to meet an insane deadline. I delivered my stuff 4am the m…

What was your reaction to that? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never been in the situation and wouldn't know what to do.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by corobo »

ppf wrote: post #29
systemvoltage wrote: post #6

I still use Firefox. I’m sticking around. It’s becoming more annoying to use, but I’d rather support Mozilla than anyone else. The window into the internet shouldn’t be controlled by big companies. It’s a principle thing for me. To the author, thanks for your efforts.

I'm becoming more and more of the opinion that the web is dead and Google has won.

Maybe 5 years ago. There's all sorts of things pushing against Google now.

Honestly the only reason I have interact with Google now is

* Work uses it for email but that's pro me not personal me * YouTube * Calendar automations

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by xnx »

JeremyNT wrote: post #129
eloisant wrote: post #73

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Inferior to what? I have yet to find a browser that blocks ads on Android as efficiently as Firefox+uBlock.

It's inferior to... Firefox! The old version of Firefox for Android (Fennec) had several important features that never made it into the rewrite. I understand they wanted to address architectural issues and improve performance, but the net result was that one day you opened up an app you'd been using happily for years only to be presented with a buggy, more limited alternative that was barely recognizable. Things are…

Agreed. Firefox is the one Android app I have blocked from auto-update. Waiting for the newest version to be better than the previous version.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by smsm42 »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #184
smsm42 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe yes, maybe not, but who cares if nobody ever finds out? And cops are pretty much immune from most illegal acts on the job, once they are sure they are doing the right thing, or can convincingly pretend they were, and once there's no law on the books explicitly, in minute details, prohibiting exactly this particular behavior. That's "qualified immunity". As for the other side, who's going to prosecute them if th…

Wait, what's the point of having anti-'bad cop' laws if they're unenforceable in practice ?

People say "there should be a law against it". Well, politicians pass a law against it. And then arrange things in a way that makes the law useless since police unions' support brings in sweet money and votes. And then frame the discussion about police misconduct in a way that you either ok with anything and everything the police does, or you support abolishing the police altogether and violent mobs trashing your town daily for sports. That is good for brining in votes too. So I guess that's the point for them. What's the point for people to tolerate such system? Please tell me if you ever find out.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by passivate »

_qulr wrote: post #174
passivate wrote: post #172

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We're on a tangent with Jordan, so I'll just let it go. I don't fundamentally disagree with you, I'm just having a discussion. If you work more and produce more, you should be entitled to benefits from that extra work. If as you said, things are just transactional and nobody cares about you, then you should want to extract as much monetary value as you can for your work.

This is missing the broader context: workers are competing with each other for jobs and promotions. If one worker finds that they can achieve a competitive advantage by working more hours, then other workers will copy that strategy. They may have to copy that strategy whether they want to or not, just to get jobs. Suddenly, working overtime is no longer the exception, it's now the norm, expected. And in that situatio…

I agree, but a lot of what you fear is already happening. People are putting in a lot of time for advancing their career in various ways - learning new skills, taking extra classes, attending conferences, lectures, networking, etc. All of that is time they don't get paid for and don't spend with their family/friends, etc, etc.

>This is why all workers need to take a stand and not allow employers to exploit them, not to agree to work unreasonable hours.

As with anything leverage will change based on the situation. To get to this point of leverage a lot of things need to change. Not just locally, but globally.

Re: Leaving Mozilla

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Post by johncessna »

oAlbe wrote: post #185
johncessna wrote: post #18

>For someone who thought of themselves as an empathetic dev overworking myself FOR the end users and product, this hurt and I’m not sure I ever really recovered. I think everyone remembers the time when they learned it's not worth it to work insane hours to make some sort of launch just so you get to do it all over again in 6 months. I worked 22 straight days to meet an insane deadline. I delivered my stuff 4am the m…

What was your reaction to that? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never been in the situation and wouldn't know what to do.

Confusion, mainly. Part of me didn't understand why everyone else didn't commit to the team effort. Ah, to be young and have no responsibilities. Another part of me was genuinely confused how an immovable date got moved. It wasn't until later that I understood that there's no such thing as an immovable date.

What keeps me from being jaded (I think anyways) is being able to recognize when an extra push is all that the project needs and when a project is so doomed that not even a heroic effort of a small team will cause it to hit the target.

I also worked with a CEO who purposely gave tight deadlines just to get engineering to finish the work. He said if he gave us more time, we'd just ask him for more. Counterintuitively, I enjoyed that. It was certainly a lot more honest, and you knew the expectation wasn't perfection, it was to release something.

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