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Re: Me and ADHD

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I got diagnosed with ADHD age 15. Methylphenidate gave me these zombie like spacing out symptoms. I later switched to Amphetamine and didn't feel the negative side effects of Methylphenidate. Methylphenidate is the only authorized substance for ADHD treatment here in Germany. I had to pay for my Amphetamine treatment by myself. I had the impression that the pharmaceutical industry doesn't have an interest in getting…

Amphetamine got authorised in Germany a year ago in the form of Lisdexamphetamine under the name of Elvanse: https://www.adhspedia.de/wiki/Elvanse_Adult I got it from my doctor and have been taking it for a year after trying Methylphenidate which did not show any positive effect on me.

How is Lisdex for you? I've recently been considering asking my doc if I can try it out.

I'm currently on a rather high daily dosage of Medikinet CR (2x30mg + another 1x20mg on long days if anyone's curious). It works but too inconsistently. It's also rather expensive here in the Netherlands.

Re: Me and ADHD

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full blown ADHDer here... diagnosed and on meds from 2-6th grade, and then started again in my early 40s and on them now. some comments about this article: 1) i fsking HATE when people self-diagnose and then trumpet to the world that they're almost certain they have ADHD. if you think you've got it, go find a clinical psychologist and get tested. 2) he's done a great job of regimenting his life. this is really, reall…

Yeah, I regimented my life more than basically anyone. Quit all hobbies, prevented me from doing anything for days. Even with all of that I couldn't focus on doing homework, instead I just lied down in my bed and stared at the ceiling for hours on end. Or sat in a chair and stared at the wall. I knew I should do the world, and I knew that the only way to do the work was to prevent me from doing everything else in the world, yet even when the work was the only thing I could do I still often didn't do it.

Nothing worked until I got medication. The funny thing is that I lived undiagnosed like that until I was 30. Imagine if ADHD was better understood when I was a kid...

Re: Me and ADHD

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Fellow ADHD person: Get diagnosed and get a low-dose of meds. It helps _a lot_. You will likely hate the feeling they give you for the first week (you will genuinely feel high even on 10mg Adderall XR), along with nightmares and night sweats but after a few weeks, you'll suddenly be productive at a very normal level. I don't feel strung out nor is it some addiction. Ignore the people screaming about Adderall being "l…

> caffeine does help from my testing My doctor put it this way: Caffeine triggers a useful dopamine response, but the side effects are strong at "useful" levels. Ritalin and Adderall provide a stronger dopamine response with fewer side effects at "useful" levels. They're all stimulants, but the magnitude of the useful vs. non-useful effects differs.

For me it’s ~300mg caffeine to almost be as good as 10mg Ritalin, but I have to re-dose the caffeine often. Think a gram or more a day.

Both have an impact on cardiovascular health, but my impression is that Ritalin and the like are much safer than what people self-medicate with.

Re: Me and ADHD

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> I would often fall into a spiral of inability to focus -> feeling bad about myself for not completing work that I was generally more than capable of doing -> even less ability to focus. I still have depression, but starting on ADHD medication all-but-removed my most frequent trigger. I had the same issue! I told my prescribing doctor this same thing and she trusted me enough to try out Adderall before SSRIs again.…

is it normal to get an EKG in relation to ADHD medication? I'm in your boat too. I've tried antidepressants with no results so I'm going to see a doctor about ADHD this time.

>is it normal to get an EKG in relation to ADHD medication?

Not sure. My provider asked me to get one done. I talked to the cardiologist about this and she didn't seem surprised it was requested nor that I was the first to get it done.

Re: Me and ADHD

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> hard time focusing on things that I don’t like or want to do Not trying to be insensitive, but doesn't that describe everybody? At what point does difficulty motivating yourself to do something unpleasant become an actual pathology? I identify with a lot of the symptoms he lists, but I've never thought that meant there was anything "wrong" with me, I thought everybody felt that way. Are there really people out ther…

> but I've never thought that meant there was anything "wrong" with me

That's a good dividing line between 'actual pathology' as you say and normal experiences.

I always felt like something was wrong with me. From childhood, I was different. Never could put my finger on it, but a lifetime of experiences gave me some intuition that I was different, in a bad way, and that was just my lot in life. Fast forward to my early thirties, and after being fired from every job I'd ever had I reached rock bottom. I was a 'gifted' student, elite engineering degree and a law degree, but just consistently failed to live up to my potential. I finally dragged myself in to a therapist's office because I had intense and intrusive suicidal thoughts nearly all day every day for months. I didn't want to kill myself, I had a lot to live for, but some part of my subconscious was absolutely fed up and done. I never once thought that I was someone who could have ADHD. I was bright, I had a decent academic record, and I had gotten several high paying jobs. ADHD was about jittery kids or losers working menial jobs, not me. By the end of my first session, as my therapist would later reveal, he knew I had ADHD. It took some time for me to accept it. But once I did, and got on board with treatment including medication and regular therapy, my life changed. It made so much sense in retrospect. I did have a good academic record, but that's only because I could hyperfocus and ace exams - I never did homework on a regular basis from grade school through grad school. I wanted to, but never did. I did get high paying jobs, but would wind up being fired a year or two later because getting a job is exciting, keeping a job and, you know, doing a job, is boring. At least to a part of my ADHD brain it is. Everyone experienced boredom, but how many people let that boredom get them to a point of being unemployed when they have a wife and children to support? It's not a choice.

Frankly, I'm lucky that I happened to meet the right therapist at the right time that recognized the ADHD that was causing so much turmoil in my life, and I am forever grateful because I truly believe that without realizing it was ADHD and treating it, my children would have lost a father. ADHD is real, and it's serious. I ask you and everyone reading this who doubts ADHD is real to please try to find some empathy.

Re: Me and ADHD

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A lot of comments here are warning about the addictive properties of stimulant medications. For folks without ADHD, you should know that stimulants, like Ritalin and Adderall, do not usually cause the same response as in non-ADHD people. I've spoken with many people on stimulants, and none of them enjoy taking the medication, beyond what it has done to improve their lives. Furthermore, most ADHD people develop tolera…

I've often wondered- are there solid studies on responses to stimulant medications varying over different groups?

It's definitely true that there is wide individual variance (modafinil does nothing but disrupt my sleep and make me more sleepy over time, alas), but it is less clear to me that the differences follow cleanly along boundaries like ADHD/not ADHD.

I don't have ADHD, but I am prescribed Ritalin to help with a sleep disorder. There's no high, euphoria, or hyperactivity, just a boost to wakefulness and general mental function. Descriptions of the effect from people with ADHD sound familiar, just starting from a different baseline.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Not surprised at all that caffeine helps. ADHD is, bar none, the mental health diagnosis most amenable to medication. Specifically, stimulant therapy. There's no principled distinction between self-medicating and prescriptions here, other than various legal risks, costs, and side effect profiles. Caffeine is particularly poorly suited to this due to adaptation and anxiety, but it's certainly something , especially if…

Coffee consumption was actually one of the questions that I was asked when my therapist first suspected that I had ADHD. I used to drink 5+ cups per day (especially workdays) while feeling fairly little effect from it. I'm now on medication which works an order of magnitude better for managing my symptoms, and I rarely drink more than 1 cup of coffee per day. It's also worth noting that ADHD often comes with other me…

What's the comparative stimulant power between black tea and coffee?

I've been toying with the notion that I may be having an undiagnosed ADHD for a while now (I've noticed that about 70% of the stuff in any ADHD thread on HN, like this here, tends to reflect my life or at least resonate with me...). I became more confident of that when, at one point recently, I realized - hey, I'm drinking some 10+ cups of black tea every day, and I did that since being single-digit years old. Turns out I may have been unconsciously self-medicating for as long as I remember.

BTW. I suffered from the same type of spiral you described in the past. I've managed to mostly overcome it for now, though I took it from the other end - I've manged to minimize "feeling bad about myself for not completing work that I was generally more than capable of doing", to the point of preventing the positive feedback loop. I wish I could do something about the focus part, though.

Re: Me and ADHD

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A lot of comments here are warning about the addictive properties of stimulant medications. For folks without ADHD, you should know that stimulants, like Ritalin and Adderall, do not usually cause the same response as in non-ADHD people. I've spoken with many people on stimulants, and none of them enjoy taking the medication, beyond what it has done to improve their lives. Furthermore, most ADHD people develop tolera…

Are you sure this isn't just due to habituation? I was diagnosed ADHD in gradeschool and definitely experienced some euphoric side effects when starting on both Ritalin and Adderall. They quickly subsided after a few days/weeks on the medications but my ADHD brain still reacted that way at first. I tried taking Adderall again as an adult for a few months (after a decade being off the drug) and had a similar experience.

Re: Me and ADHD

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I didn’t see this addressed in other comments, but I thought the music part was interesting.

Fast, driving, intense techno of some sort is a game changer for me in terms of focus. Not a replacement for medication, but a useful tool with or without.

I also find bright, flashing lights useful for focus. Think those cheap led bulbs which a prism and motor. I think expensive night club versions would be better, but I’m not willing to drop $100s to find out.

I think I might just need stimulation in all forms - visual, audible, physical, chemical - to be at my best.

Anyone else experience that?

Re: Me and ADHD

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A lot of comments here are warning about the addictive properties of stimulant medications. For folks without ADHD, you should know that stimulants, like Ritalin and Adderall, do not usually cause the same response as in non-ADHD people. I've spoken with many people on stimulants, and none of them enjoy taking the medication, beyond what it has done to improve their lives. Furthermore, most ADHD people develop tolera…

Yeah, my first adderall came from a friend who uses it to party. I can't see how. It makes me much quieter. Partying on it is something I can't even imagine.

My personal experience was that dextroamphetamine helped my (pretty severe) social anxiety by calming me. I don't know if I'd call it "partying", but I've functioned much better at social gatherings when taking therapeutic doses of it.

I've been considering trying to get a prescription for years, but I don't present most typical symptoms of ADD (maybe some inattentive ones?) so I suspect psychiatrists would be reluctant and just try to get me onto SSRIs, which have done nothing for me.

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