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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#181

Out of curiosity how much time for remediation is generally allowed before service is pulled? Surely the precedent is not "you do something bad and we ban you immediately "? In FTA it says AWS generally gives 30 days per their contract with Parler, but I mean in general, if there is a general precedent. Even if Parler wanted to do the right thing here, they were pretty much banned everywhere immediately.

Immediately termination is pretty much the industry standard.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#182
post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

> The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler.

I can't find evidence of this. Could you share your evidence?

Greenwald did significant research here and said he found no active users from those arrested:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#183
post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

And his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf.

Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#184

I did some testing this morning when a friend shared a link to Parler content and the server did not resolve. I don't know whether it is DNS censorship as well or just poorly configured TTL caching on some DNS servers, but if you have a link to video.parler.com and it doesn't resolve anymore, you can replace video.parler.com with the actual IP address of the server 8.240.251.252 8.240.147.124 8.240.248.252 they are s…

They use AWS for their DNS, so of course it's failing...

  Trying j.gtld-servers.net.
    parler.com.           172800  IN      NS      ns-8.awsdns-01.com.
    parler.com.           172800  IN      NS      ns-715.awsdns-25.net.
    parler.com.           172800  IN      NS      ns-1170.awsdns-18.org.
    parler.com.           172800  IN      NS      ns-1848.awsdns-39.co.uk.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#185

1). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…

No ToS is valid until a Judge says it is valid

There is all kinds of Untested legal claims about these click wrapped ToS "contracts" we all "sign" with out reading by clicking a check box on a sign up form.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#186
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is weird to me that we people seem to be saying "These 4 companies need to be broken up". They are already 4 companies. It seems different than say, the Bell breakup, which was one company.

Maybe not broken up but the point is something need to be done to reduce the power of these company. They are simply too powerful. Maybe some policy to make it easy for some new company/startup to disturb/compete ?

Are they more powerful than the big oil companies? the big 3 financial companies? the military industrial complex?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#187
post #38

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

They already had plenty of enemies on the left. Now they got a ton more on the right. Elon Musk was just tweeting about the hatred headed their way. Time to check my investments.

By the way didn't Elon Musk support the "reopen America" crowd? Exposing your millions of followers to unscientific misinformation and downplaying covid risk so as to keep your gigafactories open and enrich yourself further? Sounds totally fine.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#188
post #40

And here we see the problem with centralized social media. Did anyone think that handing control over to megacorps would end differently? Today it’s Parler, tomorrow it’s whatever political ideology Big Tech finds inconvenient.

Please stop pretending this was motivated only by "political ideology". The facts are pretty simple here. Parler had illegal content on their servers and refused to moderate it effectively. Companies asked them to fix their moderation issue and they refused, this is the consequence. They aren't being kicked off because they said "I like Trump" they are being kicked off for inciting violence and hosting content that c…

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#189
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A salient difference is that Big Tech will at least pay lip service to the idea of moderation, when push comes to shove. Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. Even if they win this one, the writing is on the wall for them. EDIT: This is not as true as I thought. Interesting information below!

> Parler is founded on the idea of absolutely unmoderated speech. They claim they are for free speech, but they aren't even close. They remove all kinds of things, just not enough of the things that Amazon wanted. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parle...

> just not enough of the things that Amazon wanted.

One of the major allegations in the lawsuit is that the company took down everything that Amazon wanted, and that a few days ago Amazon apparently replied that they were "okay" when the materials they asked were taken down.

Seems like this will be one of the facts to establish in the suit, however it's part of the body of evidence to support the idea that 1) the suspension was a termination and 2) the termination was unwarranted which in my opinion as a complete lay person seems less sure of proving.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#190
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is it indicative of collusion? Do you have evidence that they communicated with each other? If anything, the domino-like behavior (Google Play -> Apple ultimatum, AWS pulling support) suggests no one colluded about anything.

Did you watch the most recent Zuckerberg testimony in Congress? There, Senator Hawley grilled Zuckerberg about a communication platform, SENTRA, in which Twitter, Google, Facebook, absolutely are known to collaborate on who to ban and what to ban. He shows a screenshot in the hearing to Zuckerberg, and Mark is caught weaseling in his chair about it. That is collusion. https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-gril…

Centra* (according to Hawley [0]) and there appears to be absolutely no proof this exists other than the word of a senator that pushed a false narrative that this election was stolen, his name is mud.

[0] https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-reveals-existence-coord...

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