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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by systemvoltage »

matsemann wrote: post #153
systemvoltage wrote: post #134

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I think finding molecular differences of amphetamine is missing the point. There is a lot of knee jerk reactions I see here. This is primarily an image thing for Apple. Personally, I think this is a bad name for an app of this sorts. Caffeine is good one, amphetamine is borderline.

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. From the guidelines linked at the bottom.

I am sorry. Thanks for the reminder, I edited it.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by shawnz »

bserge wrote: post #155
Bodell wrote: post #119

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Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

Anything that could have offensive connotations could also be trivialized as "just a [noun]". That doesn't make it any more or less likely to be taken badly by the intended customer base

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by crististm »

Bud wrote: post #111
leppr wrote: post #69

Can we stop endlessly puting Apple's various authoritarians missteps under the spotlight? It's been literally decades now, we know they can and will do whatever they want in their walled garden. Stop giving them attention. Complaining clearly does not work, if you want to make a difference, change platforms. Nobody is forcing you to develop for Apple.

Not sure you understand what "authoritarian" actually means.

How can you tell he doesn't? I've read the same post and the semantics seem fine to me.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by dane-pgp »

reaperducer wrote: post #124
dane-pgp wrote: post #95

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Do you similarly think that American newspapers should stop publishing articles about China's various authoritarian missteps? You could just ignore articles that don't interest you, and you certainly don't need to go to the trouble of commenting on them, although I support your efforts to encourage people to change platform (and reduce their customer base by half).

Are you seriously equating a company choosing not to host an app with the genocidal policies of a communist government?

I'm not equating Apple's policies with China's, I'm just trying to understand if "Complaining clearly does not work" is a good enough justification for preventing people from learning about bad policies.

Perhaps the argument is that people have a duty to learn about genocides going on in the world, whereas there is no moral imperative to learn about bad policies of tech companies, but by that logic nearly every discussion on this site should be removed.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by ganstyles »

zepto wrote: post #135
dekhn wrote: post #89

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This is simply technically incorrect as many people are pointing out to you. There is a named molecule called "amphetamine" short for alpha-methylphenethylamine, it has a unique IUPAC name ((RS)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine). Methamphetamine is a derivative in the class of amphetamines (amphetamines being the family that was originally established by amphetamine). I know that's confusing. But, it has its own chemical struc…

My only argument is that it’s reasonable for the GP to say that meth is amphetamine, even if it’s grammatically more correct to say an amphetamine. It’s basically bullshit to dismiss what they were saying on the basis of this pedantry. Amphetamine is a structural class. It’s also clearly true that people not versed in chemistry associate meth with amphetamine. What’s ‘technically’ correct to a chemist really isn’t re…

It's not a problem with grammar when the "incorrect" grammar changes the whole meaning of something. No one would be jumping on the comment if it had said, "meth is a amphetamine," which has the same meaning despite the incorrect grammar. Removing the "an" completely changes the meaning.

This should be clear?

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

bdcravens wrote: post #131
dreamcompiler wrote: post #86

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https://nlpc.org/2020/12/30/report-uighur-slaves-forced-to-w...

Apple and many others: "In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs as recently as 2019: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, Bestway, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan A…

I see there's been (at least some) downvoting of this comment, but it's not irrelevant. Pointing out that other companies have the same problem doesn't give Apple a "get out of criticism free" card, but it's worth keeping in mind that Apple gets singled out for this kind of criticism in part because they promote their efforts to be better than the norm in this regard, which invites a more critical eye.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by Bodell »

bserge wrote: post #155
Bodell wrote: post #119

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Honestly if your name your product stupid things I would think that some of us might be choosing not to download your product as a result. And if a store decides not to sell your product because of this it’s really their prerogative. Saying you violated their terms with impunity for 6 years doesn’t mean they lose the right to correct the mistake. This name is pretty rings rather badly in my ears, though I’m not offen…

[Sorry, I'm a bit hyped up at the moment] This is all ridiculous and I don't like where we're headed as a society.

I’m very glad you brought up weed actually. See I have no problem with weed and like to smoke a joint every now and then. However what I don’t want is to have to buy weed called dumb things like “bro down”, “the obliterator”, and “brain destroyer”. I’d much rather you just named something not so click baity.

Sure it’s just a chemical. Everything is just chemicals but I don’t need “meth” for my computer. Same reason our kids don’t need toys advertised as “crack for your baby”.

Agin not offended its just not a good name. Even if let’s say you build an app that’s hooks into some other program and you sell said app for two dollars, you may think it’s hilarious to call it “two dollar hooker”, hell I myself might even chuckle. But only once, then I’ll just get annoyed every time I see “two dollar hooker” in startup, “two dollar hooker has crashed” etc.

I also would not buy your product if it were called alcohol poisoning. I love alcohol. I’m drinking a beer right now (happy New Years everyone). But naming a computer program after it sounds like an odd thing to do. And more to your point would also be a violation of the same rule Apple is using in this case.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by DeafSquid »

ketamine__ wrote: post #143
mhh__ wrote: post #19

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Your username has its uses too. Not bad for a night out although not really to my taste.

Ketamine for treatment resistant depression. We've got to kick the mind expansion folks out though. They are going to ruin everything like Timothy Leary ruined LSD.

Go fuck yourself if you think you should be denying anyone from using a substance you yourself benefit from. Others benefit from it in different ways too.
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