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Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Google maps has marked my parents in laws drive way as a road. The drive way is quite long as they are on a farm. Due to a right of way for an owner of a field who owns an enclave within their land they can’t put a gate up. It’s quite unmistakable you are going into someone’s house though. This has led to countless individuals showing up and driving through their land past their home. Lots of people stop and ask for…

I think the answer is to put up a gate with keypad and just provide the code to the landowner that has right of way. expensive but 100% effective.

That could work only if the city ordinance allowed it. If not, they can request a variance hearing with the city officials to explain them the situation and (hopefully) get approved.

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Travelling from Durango Colorado to Reserve New Mexico, Google Maps routed me to a "road" that was simply a dry stream bed, in the middle of Navajo Nation, in high desert wilderness, many miles from human habitation. It happened gradually. First I was directed to a well maintained gravel road, then to dirt track, which forked and forked and slowly faded to nothing. I was driving a 4x4, had an almost full tank, a load…

A similar thing happened to my brother and I back in 2006, when we were doing the Cascade Loop in WA. After leaving Winthrop, Microsoft's Streets & Trips GPS software on my laptop put us on a road that was gradually ridden with trees. We finally decided to turn back after a full tree trunk was cutting off the road and the asphalt almost disappeared. I checked the map later. If we had pushed forward, we would have crossed the border to Canada in two hours max.

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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We see this fairly often with our Search and Rescue "subjects". It's a combination of target fixation and that hope that this is just a rough patch and the trail will open up again "just around the corner".

Just a couple weeks ago, we located and brought back a middle-aged couple who went out on an afternoon e-bike ride in the backcountry. They found a nice 20 mile loop of singletrack and forest service road on the AllTrails app and headed out with minimal clothing or supplies. The trail was beautifully maintained, taking switchbacks down from the ridge into the valley and to a campsite, but beyond there, it was in disrepair, overgrown, washouts, treefall, etc. But they kept pushing on - the loop they had planned was on the map after all. But no, the second half probably hadn't been maintained much less traveled on in 5+10 years and soon it completely petered out for them and they were left, deep in a valley, at night, with the temperature dropping, in shorts, with no water or food (he was a diabetic and they both had heart conditions).

My team dropped in from the far side which was closer to their location but even with multiple maps and satellite imagery could not locate the trail for any significant stretch which led to several miles of late-night bushwhacking down steep hillsides to reach them. Once checked out, provided with warm clothing, food, and water we all hiked out the way they came in which took the rest of the night and we reemerged at the trailhead at dawn. They were very lucky that due to the orientation of the canyon, they had cellphone coverage.

Happens fairly often.

Another one, last summer, was a guy who set out on a 3 day, 40 mile loop, got sick the very first day and instead of turning back, kept pushing on and was found severely dehydrated and still ill 36 hours after he was supposed to have completed his hike. He spent several days in the hospital...

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The Far East of Russia has always fascinated me, probably the only region of the globe I know very little about and can’t even imagine what must be like. Going to Russia would give me pause, let alone the Far East. It seems so sparse and empty, who are the people that live there and what must there Russian lives be like? Feels like technology doesn’t even exist there. Too cold, too isolated.

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Here's an example from El Malpais in NM: Streambed: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.991622,-108.0730561,94m/data... Lightly used dirt roads: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9927729,-108.076162,158m/dat... As for the data issue, Google maps (by default?) caches the turn-by-turn directions when you start navigation. Spotty cell service isn't really a problem until you make a wrong turn.

Like I said, if you zoom out then you can clearly see the actual "Ice Caves" road #53 with lane markings, and a smaller "Ice Cave" dirt road that ends near that group of buildings. Everything after that is just dirt, no roads at all regardless of what Google says, which is my point. Zoom out, assess the terrain, look for markings, check for buildings, and compare paths to the destination. Unless you're visiting the b…

The area is actually full of ice caves and native sites that Google will send you on those dirt roads to get to. Also, regardless of what preparations people ought to do, there's going to people who rely solely on one method without backups. It should be robust to that.

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Google Maps is great at public transport directions: it seems to aggregate a lot of data and getting ridiculously good at estimations.

For road trips or hiking in sparsely populated areas, though, it’s treacherous to rely on automated routes. They make a path seem more reliable and well-known than it is.

A fairly straightforward and generalizable way of implementing a fix to issues like this could be by adding probability estimates and corresponding warnings to suggested routes. A long hike/ride through not-so-well-trodden path with scant data accumulated? Mark it, visibly.

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Google maps has marked my parents in laws drive way as a road. The drive way is quite long as they are on a farm. Due to a right of way for an owner of a field who owns an enclave within their land they can’t put a gate up. It’s quite unmistakable you are going into someone’s house though. This has led to countless individuals showing up and driving through their land past their home. Lots of people stop and ask for…

Where I live, they'll send you down logging roads and old, disused roads fit only for 4WD trucks. It's not just Google. Other GPS maps will send you to my house on a road that hasn't really been passable for 30 or 40 years - if you make the mistake of not telling it to avoid dirt roads. But, if you tell it to stick to paved roads, it'll have you park about 2 km away. I have no idea how to fix this, except to suggest…

Google tracks all Android phones all the time, they should be able to see that no one uses that road, they just don't care.

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Like I said, if you zoom out then you can clearly see the actual "Ice Caves" road #53 with lane markings, and a smaller "Ice Cave" dirt road that ends near that group of buildings. Everything after that is just dirt, no roads at all regardless of what Google says, which is my point. Zoom out, assess the terrain, look for markings, check for buildings, and compare paths to the destination. Unless you're visiting the b…

The area is actually full of ice caves and native sites that Google will send you on those dirt roads to get to. Also, regardless of what preparations people ought to do, there's going to people who rely solely on one method without backups. It should be robust to that.

That's why I said "the biggest problem is blind trust in the system."

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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I think the answer is to put up a gate with keypad and just provide the code to the landowner that has right of way. expensive but 100% effective.

The answer is to put the burden of cost on the victim?

Grandparent poster should've called it a workaround.. yeah the solution is to pester Google to fix their procedures, but how much time are you willing to invest on a war that you might not even win?

Re: Google Maps changes a route after the drama of young people lost on a ghost road

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Google maps has marked my parents in laws drive way as a road. The drive way is quite long as they are on a farm. Due to a right of way for an owner of a field who owns an enclave within their land they can’t put a gate up. It’s quite unmistakable you are going into someone’s house though. This has led to countless individuals showing up and driving through their land past their home. Lots of people stop and ask for…

And Google intentionally make it difficult to get ahold of any actual human. I really hope they get broken up, they are clearly a monopoly and abuse their power.
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