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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by drewbug01 »

timwaagh wrote: post #125

I dont think its fair to say that Social media sites banning the sex industry is a move that stems from hostility. Its just our culture that we separate sex and normal life. Maybe for children, maybe for ourselves. I dont want my timeline on fb to fill up with ads for porn creators. When i do want to consume porn i know where to go.

An alternate way to address the desire to separate those aspects of life is for platforms to provide easy and clear ways to filter and segregate the content you see. For example, a platform could have a “NSFW” switch that toggles whether or not that content is shown. Not saying that would be straightforward, foolproof, or perfect - but it’s one way the problems could be solved.

But, that’s not the way most social media approaches the problem. Given that there are alternate ways to address the problem that aren’t being tried, I don’t see “hostility” as an unreasonable take.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by wsc981 »

seibelj wrote: post #16

This is a super good read, if you have 10 minutes I highly recommend. I have absolutely no problems with pornography and if my own daughter decided this was the industry she wanted to enter I would help jumpstart her career anyway I could just as I would any career she chose. My wife and I are very free spirits and the previous HN discussions on Pornhub / NYT article made me feel like I was taking crazy pills and liv…

While I kinda feel the same like you ... I have a 3.5 year old daughter now and if she later wants to become a prostitute or work in porn, I'd support her. There are some people that really enjoy this kind of work, for example check out this interview with Lisa Ann [0] ... she really enjoyed her work in porn but was very careful to not catch diseases and it was always a worry for her.

But if my daughter would consider one of those jobs, I would make sure she would be very aware of the risks and I'm not just talking about the STDs. I'd make her aware that it could be extremely hard to find a different job, especially after a career in porn. And also, if my daughter would get children of her own, children could be bullied if they discover their mother worked in porn.

Also, it does seem a lot of actors and actresses in porn are from broken families and that is kind of sad.

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[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPT1TKFmv_o

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

cblconfederate wrote: post #148

Comments in here just corroborate the writer's argument about SV's prudish culture, that confuses sex with morals,power, politics etc. It shouldn't be debateable in 2020 that sexual expression should be free. Anyway, pornhub and other sites seem to be going the onlyfans direction which will only increase competition and make things better for these entertainers. Interesting interview by one of the top earners: https:…

Why shouldn't it be debatable? Porn and "free sexual expression" have a lot of damage they do to individuals and society as a whole also. I don't even need to list the examples because everyone already knows them. The rise of dangerous choking accidents during sex is a direct result of the popularization of that act through pornography. BDSM and the socially acceptable connection of sexual pleasure with real physical violence is another. Like many other vices our extreme opinions about freedom allow everyone to fall victim to (gambling, alcoholism, drug abuse, etc) porn addiction and it's various consequences is also on the rise and it's not going to get better any time soon.

Many feminists still believe that pornography is the oppression and exploitation of women. And they have good reason to believe that.

Who are you to say that everyone else is a prude and you are right and they are all wrong? How come you get to dismiss the real world effects of this activity?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

seibelj wrote: post #16

This is a super good read, if you have 10 minutes I highly recommend. I have absolutely no problems with pornography and if my own daughter decided this was the industry she wanted to enter I would help jumpstart her career anyway I could just as I would any career she chose. My wife and I are very free spirits and the previous HN discussions on Pornhub / NYT article made me feel like I was taking crazy pills and liv…

Insane kind of stuff you can only read online like "I would jumpstart my daughter's career in pornography"

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by sillysaurusx »

_huayra_ wrote: post #101
seibelj wrote: post #16

This is a super good read, if you have 10 minutes I highly recommend. I have absolutely no problems with pornography and if my own daughter decided this was the industry she wanted to enter I would help jumpstart her career anyway I could just as I would any career she chose. My wife and I are very free spirits and the previous HN discussions on Pornhub / NYT article made me feel like I was taking crazy pills and liv…

> We need to change attitudes towards sex work to remove the shame rather than stop entry into a massively popular and universal industry that crosses all cultures. Legalizing, but heavily regulating vices is definitely the way to go. I think a lot of European countries have good models for this (Switzerland and Amsterdam come to mind). The demand for these things is going to exist, and is usually best if it is legal…

I thought a lot about your comment. This is what bugs me:

That said, social tolerance should not devolve into some sort of forced social acceptance for the "liberation" of sex work. Just as any woman should be free to engage in sex work, I should be free to judge her for it

What exactly are you judging her for? For being comfortable with her body?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by kodah »

throw0101a wrote: post #169
kodah wrote: post #29

Porn always reminds me of other classical debates that have no end like guns and abortion. The camps of folks in the middle who are cognitively capable of making a difference can't because the outsized voices on either side of them are screaming for either total freedom or total shutdown. They actively fear monger people out of action so no real progress is made. It prevents the best coders and business people from w…

> Porn always reminds me of other classical debates that have no end like guns and abortion. The camps of folks in the middle who are cognitively capable of making a difference can't because the outsized voices on either side of them are screaming for either total freedom or total shutdown. Conservatives and progressives/liberals have completely different world views: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Politics_(b…

Precisely. The culture of our main groups is what drives the loud voices. In the end, American culture is useless for solving these kind of problems, at least for the time being.

There are people who buy into politics but not culture though (eg: it is possible for one to be politically liberal but then be more culturally free rather than culturally constrained). These people, in the sense of sex work and the porn industry may be able to produce viable solutions and products, but they'd constantly be on the defensive against both political cultures.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by Fargren »

computerphage wrote: post #170
Fargren wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poe's Law is a terrible thing. I assume what you are replying to is sarcasm, because I can't fathom it being earnest.

I don't know enough to decide with certainty if the post in question is right, but it definitely seems earnest. I believe the poster sincerely holds those beliefs.

People seriously believe being advertised at is "just as much a negative" as the stigma from being a porn actress? I have no appreciation for the advertising industry, but this is hard for me to believe.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by PrefixKitten »

mierz00 wrote: post #139
PrefixKitten wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it demonstrated just how out of reach an actual relationship with someone is for me. >Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved. I'd argue that platforms such as these have an effect on gender dynamics in society as a whole.

Sites like OnlyFans have nothing to do with you or relationships in general. The vast majority of people don't go on those types of sites. I assure you, the thing that is stopping you from being in a relationship isn't Only fans. I'd recommend trying to find ways to build up yourself confidence.

What women expect from men seems to have sharply risen in the last decade. Before getting my degree and getting in shape I was able to find partners. Nowadays people aren't even willing to be friends with me. If women's expectations in fact haven't gone up then I have no idea what the people from my past saw in me that more recent people don't.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by gizmo686 »

kodah wrote: post #53
fullshark wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My basis for that is that virtually anything sex related, apart from toys, cannot be purchased with credit or debit cards. Most porn can be bought with credit cards, at least in the USA. Mainstream payment processing companies like stripe may not be willing to do it but if you go try to buy (legal) porn right now with a credit card you will be able to do it.

Sort of! I remember this being discussed a number of years ago: https://fetlife.com/help/can-i-use-a-credit-card-to-support-... You could argue the merits of the website (I am not a member) but at the end of the day if you can only use BitCoin or a bank account then the policies have failed businesses, consumers, and content creators. I don't know where the lines lie for decency in credit card payments or what they c…

They support credit cards again. Although they had to tighten their content guidelines to meet non-existant requirements.

> Over the last decade, I've spoken to easily over a hundred people in both the financial and adult industries, and asked them for a copy of the official content rules. Everyone says they've heard that there are rules, but nobody seems to have seen them or can even get their hands on them!

https://fetlife.com/groups/311/posts/15046791

(No login wall) https://pastebin.com/FK6Z7gMf

I just checked their payment page and as of today, they accept credit cards.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by [deleted] »

gbrown wrote: post #134
bonoboTP wrote: post #108

"Everything in life is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." I think the debate is not really about porn, but people's sense of justice, cheating, deserving things or not etc. Some feel like porn gives unearned satisfaction to young men, a virtual substitute they don't have to work for. The bitter other side will say, no shit, I won't slave away to get screwed over, it's much more straightforward business to co…

No offense, but your take on social attitudes about porn is really strange and pretty misogynistic. > “ Some feel like porn gives unearned satisfaction to young men, a virtual substitute they don't have to work for.” What? Maybe extremist groups like the proud boys, but I’ve literally never heard this objection. People tend to worry more about socialization and the harmful psychological effects porn can have on peopl…

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