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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by vineyardmike »

paganel wrote: post #160
gonehome wrote: post #58

So much for “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas and conversations” - it was clear this was nonsense when they said it, but the stuff alleged here is way worse than even I would have predicted. These people are awful - Zoom should be avoided (along probably with any company operating primarily out of China, under influence of the CCP). https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html

Companies like Zoom are probably 5th column-like entities. Had someone told me something like this just a couple of years ago I would have called that person crazy or paranoid, but the latest moves from the CCP have cemented that belief for me. Again, I was almost totally against Tik Tok's de facto nationalisation ordered by the Trump administration, but seeing executives like this one acting on the orders of the CCP…

No way is the CCP not manipulating TikTok's black-box (cough cough "Machine Learning") algorithm to surface content that is better for them in some way. Should they be sold to America though or should they just be forced to die on the Chinese vine?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by balola »

gonehome wrote: post #58

So much for “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas and conversations” - it was clear this was nonsense when they said it, but the stuff alleged here is way worse than even I would have predicted. These people are awful - Zoom should be avoided (along probably with any company operating primarily out of China, under influence of the CCP). https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html

Any person with Chinese lineage is considered "our guy" obligated to do good to the homeland, or else they are traitors even if they never touch on Chinese soil. This sentiment is not limited to lineage and nationality but also surnames, birthing place and ethnicity.

Recent examples： >Mike Pompeo’s China adviser has name chiselled off school monument >removed his name from the genealogical chart of the “Yu Clan.”

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by goatinaboat »

spoonjim wrote: post #27

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams.

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams.

Teams has its own bizarre self-inflicted limitations. For example a limit of only 9 people on screen at once whose positions constantly and randomly change. Having used all of them if you have decent sized screens e.g. 28" or better and are presenting to a group or 20-30 people and want to be able to gauge feedback from faces as you would do in a real meeting or classroom, Zoom just offers a much, much better experience for the presenter, who is probably also the meeting organiser. And it's not just aesthetic, if you are on all day Zoom is actually much less fatiguing than Teams.

Where Teams wins is if you are using it for corporate chat anyway (because you have O365 anyway) and just want to make the occasional 1:1 call.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by tonyhb »

vineyardmike wrote: post #181
paganel wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies like Zoom are probably 5th column-like entities. Had someone told me something like this just a couple of years ago I would have called that person crazy or paranoid, but the latest moves from the CCP have cemented that belief for me. Again, I was almost totally against Tik Tok's de facto nationalisation ordered by the Trump administration, but seeing executives like this one acting on the orders of the CCP…

No way is the CCP not manipulating TikTok's black-box (cough cough "Machine Learning") algorithm to surface content that is better for them in some way. Should they be sold to America though or should they just be forced to die on the Chinese vine?

No joke, when I first signed up early August it was literal Trump propaganda on every video. I had to train their algo to tell it that I wasn't interested in pro-trump videos - 5 days later they disappeared. This is a complete anecdote but, yes, it is plausible that some promoted videos have an agenda.

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Post by randomsearch »

vyrotek wrote: post #6

What other platforms compete with Zoom with comparable API integrations? We need features including: OAuth, Meeting scheduling, meeting link generation (without requiring user accounts), managing recordings, meeting status webhooks, etc. https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api

We just need a performant alternative.

I pay for Zoom and if anyone can point me to a native app alternative that actually works reasonably well (Teams does not) I will happily switch.

Everything that runs in the browser is pretty awful.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by tkinom »

spondyl wrote: post #111
_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

From what I remember, when remote working during the pandemic first started due to lockdowns, Zoom blew up because it was quite literally one click and you're in a call. The initial installer would do some funky stuff in the ground I believe to bypass a lot of the usual install friction. Once it was discovered, Zoom's installation process became a little bit slower. Next, calls were being "broken into" because there…

Wonder how it beat Google hangout/meet - That can be run all browsers without any install with one click also.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by vineyardmike »

peteretep wrote: post #132
octoberfranklin wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a left vs right thing. If Mitch McConnell were Attorney General he would drop the case too. Basically most of our politicians (on both sides) have sold out to China and a very few haven't.

Bullshit. China bashing is a bipartisan vote winner. Two weeks ago a law that brought Chinese firms that want to be listed in the US under US accounting jurisdiction passed the senate 100-0 https://www.economist.com/business/2020/12/03/congress-wants...

Requiring companies to be listed in the US to follow US accounting is hardly "china bashing" even if both parties agree that the Chinese government is net-bad

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by balola »

ipnon wrote: post #29
gruez wrote: post #15

Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

It's newsworthy that PRC is recruiting Chinese citizens in executive positions of American companies to pursue the intelligence interests of the CCP by disenfranchising Americans of their constitutional rights and in willful violation of American law.

Is it "recruiting"? If so it starts at higher education, "good" students can apply for party membership, which is a prerequisite for lush and comfy gov jobs.

And any org that employs 3+ party members shall set up a party chamber, host party sessions and even appoint a sectary.

This executive very likely is a party member, but that doesn't necessarily make this act party related, more and more Chinese have come to defend the 1989 event(if they know it ofc), as China is now on a peak, what the party did back then is gaining legitimacy and praises.

I won't be surprised if he had done this out of his own volition, and probably most of the people in his position would have done the same.

The HK protests were overwhelmingly disapproved and regared as "abject-lowlife riots", in some way, it reflects the public sentiment toward that 1989 event.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by i_am_proteus »

>Part of Jin’s duties included providing information to the PRC government about Company-1’s users and meetings, and in some cases he provided information – such as Internet Protocol addresses, names and email addresses – of users located outside of the PRC. Jin was also responsible for proactively monitoring Company-1’s video communications platform for what the PRC government considers to be “illegal” meetings to discuss political and religious subjects unacceptable to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the PRC government.

So if I am readings this right, PRC authorities are using Zoom employees to monitor the activity of Zoom users both inside and outside the PRC.

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