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Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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> Wyoming For those reading along, States like Wyoming (and New Mexico IIRC) are attractive for these kind of LLC fillings b/c they don't have a public Company Databases. That, and cheap taxes/fees.

This is going to start to change: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25395278

> The legislation has limitations. The general public won’t have access to the ownership data, a disappointment to anti-corruption campaigners, who say public scrutiny would help combat criminal activity.

Looks like the data will only be available at the Federal level and not open to the public.

> In another transparency setback, the law also exempts some entities from the disclosure requirements, including domestic investment funds that are advised and operated by a registered investment adviser.

Sounds like the practice of using Registered Agents will still be allowed to continue.

So it's a new law that will change how the Feds can access and prosecute organized crime, which is a good thing, but won't help much in allowing us to learn who really owns that new shinny LLC.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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> I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. Lord man, what kind of bills were these?

College bills i would guess

but $20k is like, a year's tuition at a University. Did parent also rent a mansion to live in while attending?

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Very often your residential connection is sold as proxy to e.g. circumvent rate limits. Companies like luminati are used for example for scraping google search results and many more things.

My startup offers a residential IP sharing model where users get paid to share their bandwidth: https://packetstream.io

Is the 3% fee to "cash out" earned on your end or PayPal? It just feels a little disengenuous to advertise a rate but the only way to receive payment is at a loss of 3%. ...or is the model that the sharers are also customers and you encourage them to use the service while discouraging "cashout"?

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> I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. Until the day when ipv6-only connectivity becomes practical/commonplace. At some point ipv4 market is going to crash when they are simply not needed anymore. Of course that inflection point might still be quite far away, but I wouldn't count on ipv4 stock being a retirement fund

But you still need an ipv4 address even if it’s only 10% of people who are ipv4 only.

Fewer and fewer people are able to get an IPv4 address - that's the main reason for IPv6 !

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College bills i would guess

but $20k is like, a year's tuition at a University. Did parent also rent a mansion to live in while attending?

Depending on the university that might not cover a semester. Still, within 6 months of making money at that level, your post tax earnings are going to be enough for even the most expensive undergraduate programs

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Stupid question: why does WhatsApp need to be its own AS?

I'm not 100% sure, but if WhatsApp wanted to run their own datacenters, then they'll need their own IP ranges, and BGP/AS numbers is how IPs are "routed". The AS number is used to let others know that a given IP range is reachable via your router. I'd like to give a better explanation, but I think it would be wrong. BGP is really hard for me to grasp, even if my networking colleagues claims it's not really that compl…

"Running a datacenter" isn't something that inherently needs its own IP range. You could run a datacenter only in private address space and NAT to the internet (though this wouldn't really be very practical) or even run in private space. My point is that having a lot of computers doesn't _necessarily_ require getting public IPs or ASNs.

You need public addresses if you want to be publicly reachable. If you're small you might find an ISP — let's say ISP Inc — that will give you an internet connection and allocate some part of the address space it in turn has been allocated. There's no need for BGP or dedicated IPs here — the rest of the internet already knows how to reach the range(s) of addresses assigned to ISP Inc, and from there ISP Inc's own network takes care of sending the traffic down the pipe to you.

If you need a lot more addresses, or you want to use more than one ISP (either of which could apply to WhatsApp's case), you probably need to get a dedicated assignment and an ASN. The ASN means you're an "autonomous system" — not a carved out bit of someone else's network. You go to your local registrar and convince them you need some addresses, and then you go to your ISP(s) and ask them for "transit", which means they'll connect you to their network and route to and from the rest of the internet for you. But since you're now using your own addresses it's not as simple as above, where your IPs were part of your ISP's range and everyone else just sent their traffic to your ISP for them to route to you. Your IPs are yours now, and until you tell the rest of the internet how to find you nothing will work. To make this work you have to get your ISP(s) to tell the internet "hey, y'all want to send traffic to Mr Weasel LLC? I can handle it for you". This is called "announcing" a prefix (IP range) and BGP is the mechanism through which all the routers on the internet propagate announcements detailing who is providing connectivity to who.

Conceptually this stuff is quite straightforward but in practice it can be mindbending. As well as transit there are peering arrangements (where Mr Weasel can arrange with Netflix to swap traffic over a dedicated physical connection, rather than their respective ISPs) and hella complicated traffic engineering schemes linking the big content providers to the internet. For instance, Facebook has thousands of transit and peering connections with other ISPs and providers and deciding which path is optimal for any given situation requires very complicated policies and management.

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It has nothing to do with network admins. Everything the majority of customers care about in the US is available on IPv4 and sometimes ipv6. If v6 goes down for your customers, they probably won’t even notice. If you don’t have v4, you don’t have a business. It hasn’t even been that long that Amazon EC2 has had v6 support, which is where a huge chunk of the Internet is hosted. The network admins at ISPs are just prov…

First: Here in Australia no major ISPs provide a native IPv6 service, and if they do, they don't provide it to business. It's obscenely difficult to obtain IPv6 in Australia. None of the major telcos do it, you have to go down the list to like the 5th or 6th biggest ones before it becomes an "experimental option" for residential connections only. Second: Ever since IPv6 has been a thing, I've offered to customers the…

At some point the government just has to step in and forbid the sale of IPv4 compatible hardware...

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Stupid question: why does WhatsApp need to be its own AS?

I'm not sure what AS11917 is for now but the lion's share of WhatsApp now runs over/in Facebook's network/datacenters. WhatsApp chat connections are terminated on the FB edge like most other FB traffic and it shares FB's common CDN for media. AS11917 might be some legacy stuff or, as was mentioned, special policy stuff. But assuming things are as they were a year or two ago most of your WA traffic is via AS32934. Sou…

Some chat endpoints were still at SoftLayer/IBM Cloud and I saw some at AWS as of early this year.

Source: helped a customer with WA Business architecture (and worked at SL/IBM in the past)

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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That's a competitive advantage they have, which dis-incentivizes them from pushing IPv6 adoption.

Indeed. It's probably why they've been so slow to support IPv6 across their various services. I still don't think you can have a pure IPv6 network yet on a VPC.
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