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Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by vageli »

dcolkitt wrote: post #152
abernard1 wrote: post #55

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I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

> Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly. This doesn't matter from the standard of antitrust law. What most fail to grasp is that being a monopoly is not illegal . It's only illegal to use monopoly power to harm consumer welfare. In this case integration between services is a pretty strong defense against this. Facebook can argue that consolidating th…

> > Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

> This doesn't matter from the standard of antitrust law. What most fail to grasp is that being a monopoly is not illegal. It's only illegal to use monopoly power to harm consumer welfare.

Citation needed? I thought, in the US at least, that the government will go after you if you use your monopoly powers to enter into other markets. For instance Google surfacing its own, other products as the top results in search.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by sidr »

mmmmmbop wrote: post #101
abernard1 wrote: post #55

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I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

It would also be a hilarious argument to make after previously convincing the European Commission in 2014 that there is no technical way to integrate Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp user accounts. [0] [0] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/pl/IP_17_...

I am not sure why a shared messaging infrastructure implies merging accounts is easy/possible. It's fully possible to have messages pass on a common infrastructure between different entities that correspond to messenger/whatsapp accounts.

I'm not saying I necessarily believe facebook here, but I don't understand how they are contradicting themselves here.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by semitones »

hyeomans wrote: post #176
ForTheWin98 wrote: post #173

"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome" With Facebook products, you see outages in December and May. Why? Those are the last few weeks to complete your project before your performance review. Miss this window and you find yourself in career trouble. Facebook employees put a tremendous amount of pressure on themselves during these months. I would not be surprised if this outage was caused by a bad pull…

do people get fired or not promoted?

In FAANG for typical SWEs it is rare for to outright get fired for a mistake. How you handle the mistake matters a lot though. Usually if things are less than perfect during performance reviews, you just don't get promoted.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by gsich »

the-dude wrote: post #67
abernard1 wrote: post #55

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I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

IIRC this is exactly what MS claimed about bundling IE : it was tied into the kernel.

It's a lame excuse anyway. They could have just hidden the IE symbol, deactivating auto-open with IE and it would have been fine.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by aaaxyz »

anonymou2 wrote: post #144
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #128

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Root Cause Analysis has determined that solar flares, which come from the Sun, are the reason any life exists on Earth. Without the sun, no technical evolution would have occurred and no outage in Facebook's infrastructure would have happened.

wow... Haven't you heard about the Big Bang?

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by fakedang »

mrits wrote: post #180
mikem170 wrote: post #174

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> Facebook has direct competitors that can overtake them in just a few years >Instagram was made by a few python coders in months. This shows how easy it is to make a product that competes with Facebook Then why did Facebook buy Instagram, instead whipping up some python code on their own if it's so easy? I would conclude they bought them to be anti-competitive.

For their users.

At that point (around the time of the acquisition), I guess one could say there was significant overlap between FB and IG users, and that FB had more users than IG.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by rachelbythebay »

ForTheWin98 wrote: post #173

"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome" With Facebook products, you see outages in December and May. Why? Those are the last few weeks to complete your project before your performance review. Miss this window and you find yourself in career trouble. Facebook employees put a tremendous amount of pressure on themselves during these months. I would not be surprised if this outage was caused by a bad pull…

Thanksgiving and Christmas are then some of the quietest times in terms of outages. Of course, the interval right after then is usually worse, since all of the backlogged changes from the holidays land at once.

“Diff”, not PR.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by josefx »

EE84M3i wrote: post #98
the-dude wrote: post #67

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IIRC this is exactly what MS claimed about bundling IE : it was tied into the kernel.

I don't think MS said it was bundled in the kernel , but it is true that parts of IE are tied into the OS (or at least used to be) in the form of mshtml and jscript.

Basic functionality like windows update was implemented using websites and activex components. You couldn't run that with any other browser.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by hnlmorg »

Steltek wrote: post #89
breckenedge wrote: post #69

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Yes that was a defense. Explorer.exe and IE were intimately tied together. Remember “active desktop”? You could make your Windows desktop background a web page. Crazy times...

I wouldn't mind that, actually. I could create my own dashboard/background.

Bare in mind back then was before "Web 2.0", there wasn't AJAX, responsive web design and any of the other technologies we now take for granted. And to add to the woes, most computers still weren't powerful enough to handle running Active Desktop. It was a huge resource drain.

Some of the other desktop integration features of Internet Explorer 4 were pretty nice though.

These days most desktop environments allow for desktop widgets and usually there's a web view widget amongst them. So you can still have your web desktop if you wanted. At least now computers are powerful enough, and the frontend tools are useful enough, that there is some arguable benefit.

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