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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#181
"YouTube said Wednesday it will start removing any content uploaded to its platform that contains allegations of widespread fraud or errors"

So the US election was 100% error free? Got it, YouTube. I still have friends whose votes weren't counted according to their state's Secretary of State website.

I'm not even sure what's the point: Supressing misleading info prior to the election is one thing, but the election is over.

No amount of censorship will convince skeptics.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#183

Doesn't this just feed into people's fears about conspiracies? I can't understand why people are signing off on this. Let the Like/Dislike button do its job.

I think you're overestimating the average internet user. A lot of people think that because they view something online, it gives it authority. They fail to understand anyone can (and does) post content online. I've often thought this way of thinking is a remnant of the media we've consumed in the past, where there were higher standards because producing media was more exclusive. Think print, radio, TV. On those mediu…

You mean those dumb boomers and generation X'ers who were raised on the boob tube rather than YouTube.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#184

With apologies to H.L. Mencken [1] "Freedom of video publishing belongs to those who own the platform." The good news is that anyone can own a platform these days. If you want to publish something, you can do it yourself very easily. You don't have to have youtube do it for you. [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/05/21/free-press/#:~:text... .

Practically speaking, network effects make it nearly impossible for alternative platforms to achieve the scale of their mainstream ancestors. Right-wing communities exiled from Reddit have much smaller audiences in their new homes.

I'm not so concerned with this level of "censorship" in and of itself. But what happens, when, inevitably, the media starts to demand the same out of Google, AWS, ISPs? That's the truly scary prospect.

EDIT: scary

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#185
Imo they should instead put one of those disclaimers on all election related videos, linking out to a set of reputable sources for election results. Removing it just fuels conspiracy theories and directs people to more extreme platforms, downranking and adding proper sources at least has some chance of helping well-intentioned people get to accurate information.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#186
We've seen this hundreds of times throughout history. The Salem Witch Trials come to mind. Conspiracy theories need to burn their way through the population, reaching a crescendo until saner minds take sway.

These are the natural ebbs and flows of popular opinion. It's seldom rational even without conspiracy theories being involved. Trying to control this back-and-forth by shutting down one side of the conversation is just going to increase the pressure until the natural cycle continues.

I think _maybe_ YT has some sort of long-game in mind where they come out with a business model, but this doesn't appear to end well for them or any of us. Treating complex and sometimes chaotic systems as if they were simple ones doesn't make for good results. If you think the question is whether or not the claims are true, you're not even close to the critical conversation society needs to have right now.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#187
post #94

HNers really are clowns - there's a chorus of people acting like this is oppression. When the most powerful people in the United States are constantly spreading lies to destabilize the fundamentals of the country for years to come. Downvote me all you want - it's just proof that SV is full of assclowns. Such a shame that I probably work with some of you idiots.

For what it's worth, I downvoted you for the tone of your post, and for the allegation that I live in in Silicon Valley ( "[...] proof that SV is full of assclowns" ), when I don't even live in the US.

That's fair. My tone was not supposed to be pleasant :)

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#188
I really hope something is done against Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai's content. He's been posting highly misleading/disingenuous election fraud material in order to gain a following, and people are believing it because he touts his PhD from MIT. Honestly at this point between his senate run and "Inventor of Email" scandal I'm surprised MIT hasn't had a response.

For example, here's a video that debunks many of his claims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aokNwKx7gM8

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#189

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

While the sarcasm is dripping, it's also true. There clearly are people that can view a video and realize that it's is 100% BS. Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it. If it wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

At the same time, getting used to curation of informal speech and having intermediaries censoring this type of content has its own, potentially greater risks.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#190

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Why do you put "the truth" in quotes? Are you honestly questioning the validity of this election?

Honestly? Yes.
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